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Posted by Hombre on June 24, 2011, at 5:19:26

This stuff definitely has potential. Effects depend on strain and dosage. I definitely felt relaxed, comfortable, warm, and some definite analgesic effect. I imagine opium must be similar, but probably stronger. I eventually passed out for a nap during the day, something I can never do.

I can see uses as an anxiolytic, sedative, hypnotic, analgesic, mood stabilizer, antidepressant, and mild buffer between you and the hurt. Regular use will lead to tolerance and possible mild habituation, so I think it's one to keep for a bad day or when you can't seem to fall asleep at night.


Re: Kratom Hombre

Posted by sigismund on June 25, 2011, at 14:16:35

In reply to Kratom, posted by Hombre on June 24, 2011, at 5:19:26

Sounds excellent and therefore illegal.

Once you come to comfort, can the law be far behind?

I wouldn't like to try to import it.

I was hoping to come across some in Vietnam in the markets but did not.


Re: Kratom

Posted by Hombre on June 29, 2011, at 7:45:52

In reply to Re: Kratom Hombre, posted by sigismund on June 25, 2011, at 14:16:35

Not illegal in most countries, as far as I know. But if you're down under, maybe. I hear lots of problems getting things into OZ. I'd be willing to try, though. Worst they could do is seize it. It's only about $12-15 an oz, and if you don't have a tolerance 5g or so will work. Let me know if you feel bold. I get it from a local guy, sells all sorts of interesting ethnobotanicals.

BTW I'm trying Tian Wang Bu Xin Dan for night sweats, insomnia, and restlessness. Night sweats are a major side-effect of Effexor (SNRI), but lately it's just ridiculous, like soaking my shirt and the pillow and the mattress. This is one of those things that Western medicine totally fails at.

It's weird, I tend to not get "sick", but I get TCM conditions that respond to the right herbs. It's very hot and humid now, so my Yin deficient (low oil in the lamp) tendency gets exacerbated.

I bought concentrated granules...mixed in water, wow, bitter as hell! The bitterness helps expel the Yin deficient heat. Lots of calming herbs too. Yin deficient heat is like hot flashes, and I have been getting those. Just sudden heat flowing through my body, sometimes I sweat, and then bam! it's gone. So strange...


zhu sha in tian wang bu xian dan Hombre

Posted by floatingbridge on July 3, 2011, at 22:13:45

In reply to Kratom, posted by Hombre on June 24, 2011, at 5:19:26

I used to take this about 15-20 years ago. It did contain cinnibar which contains mercury. My tcm person had said had I lived in China, they'd have me on lots of mercury :-/

I think this has now been removed from all US formulas. But you could see if Zhu sha shall is listed. I think that is in the 'dan' part of the name. I think 'dan' means pill (not sure) and that the bolus is rolled in the cinnibar preparation.

I'm sure this has been changed. Plum Flower brand does not list this ingredient.

My tcm person then used to fret about me getting the mercury. I remember it was a great aid for me.

I'd like to know if this has changed.

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