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Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by linkadge on December 3, 2021, at 17:29:22

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by undopaminergic on December 3, 2021, at 8:25:33

The effects of exercise are profound. It affects endorphins, endocannabinoids, brain growth factors, BDNF, GDNF, NGF, hormones, inflammatory compounds, neurotransmitter synthesis....you name it. Long term running (for example) will induce a subsensitivity of the presynaptic 5-ht1b receptors which can enhance the effect of antidepressants.

Linkadge

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by Lamdage22 on December 3, 2021, at 22:44:15

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by linkadge on December 3, 2021, at 17:29:22

I heard that resistance exercise has a similar effect to cardio and the most results can be achieved by doing both.

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by linkadge on December 4, 2021, at 9:15:32

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by Lamdage22 on December 3, 2021, at 22:44:15

I haven't seen any studies on neurogenesis and resistance training.

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by Lamdage22 on December 4, 2021, at 9:21:52

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by linkadge on December 4, 2021, at 9:15:32

They seem to exist. https://www.marksdailyapple.com/monday-musings-the-dumb-jocks-myth/
My suggestion would be try both, and choose what feels better, or do both. I do well with resistance training. It is very rewarding when you make strength gains.

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by undopaminergic on December 4, 2021, at 10:39:08

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by Lamdage22 on December 4, 2021, at 9:21:52

> They seem to exist. https://www.marksdailyapple.com/monday-musings-the-dumb-jocks-myth/
> My suggestion would be try both, and choose what feels better, or do both. I do well with resistance training.
>

I do some variation of both. The mass of my body together with gravity provides a degree of resistance. Moreover, other laws of physics, such as those to do with movement and acceleration also play in (when you are on your way down, and your foot reaches the ground, it takes more strength to straighten your leg and foot so as to move your body upwards again).

I alternate between running at a slower speed for longer, and running faster, or even as fast as I can. In particular, I often try running faster when I'm going uphill.

> It is very rewarding when you make strength gains.

It is! I went from not being able to pull my body up on a bar (with my head above) at all to being able to do it maybe 12 times. Then I stagnated, so I wasn't getting much reward any more from the training and it was just a chore so I eventually dropped out of going to the gym.

Running is something that I can mix into my daily routine, without having to go to any particular place (ie. the gym).

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by undopaminergic on December 4, 2021, at 10:53:58

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by Lamdage22 on December 4, 2021, at 9:21:52

> They seem to exist. https://www.marksdailyapple.com/monday-musings-the-dumb-jocks-myth/
>

The author is also into ketogenic diet and something called "Primal Lifestyle". I've heard about keto being good against depression, but I'm not at all familiar with primal.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by Lamdage22 on December 4, 2021, at 12:48:55

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by undopaminergic on December 4, 2021, at 10:53:58

Add 10 pounds to your pull ups. I think you are stagnating because you dont increase resistance. At some point when you dont quit, youll be at a point where you make almost no more gains. Nature I have accepted it and I dont plan to quit. I want to maintain it throughout my life.

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by undopaminergic on December 4, 2021, at 13:50:23

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by Lamdage22 on December 4, 2021, at 12:48:55

> Add 10 pounds to your pull ups.

It's easier to use the "pulldown" machine. I think I used 70 or 75 kgs at most (I weigh a little less than that). However, I learnt (the hard way) that you have to be careful about heavy loads to avoid injuries.

> I think you are stagnating because you dont increase resistance.

I think the key is to change something about the exercise, and that may be either increasing or lowering the resistance, or trying a different exercise altogether.

> At some point when you dont quit, youll be at a point where you make almost no more gains. Nature I have accepted it and I dont plan to quit. I want to maintain it throughout my life.
>

I intend to try again at some point.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by Lamdage22 on December 4, 2021, at 14:28:37

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by undopaminergic on December 4, 2021, at 13:50:23

You have to give your body time to adjust. New exercise: Not full power the first time you do it. Add 5 pounds to your barbell or pull ups when you are ready. Consistency!

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by Lamdage22 on December 5, 2021, at 3:16:16

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by Lamdage22 on December 4, 2021, at 14:28:37

If you want to read up on stuff and get advice: https://startingstrength.com
https://www.westside-barbell.com

Both have facebook groups as well which you can find. Good advice is essential with building muscle and strength.

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by undopaminergic on December 5, 2021, at 8:42:30

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by Lamdage22 on December 5, 2021, at 3:16:16

> If you want to read up on stuff and get advice: https://startingstrength.com
> https://www.westside-barbell.com
>
> Both have facebook groups as well which you can find. Good advice is essential with building muscle and strength.
>

I have a friend who's into it, so I ask him for advice when I have questions. In contrast to startingstrength.com, which suggests 5 reps, he recommended choosing a load you can do 6-8 reps with.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by Lamdage22 on December 5, 2021, at 9:02:12

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by undopaminergic on December 5, 2021, at 8:42:30

Neither is wrong. It depends.

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids Lamdage22

Posted by linkadge on December 6, 2021, at 16:29:30

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by Lamdage22 on December 4, 2021, at 9:21:52

Good to know. Thanks for sharing.

Linkadge

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by Lamdage22 on December 7, 2021, at 10:30:12

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by Lamdage22 on December 3, 2021, at 22:44:15

Exercise has many side effects, almost none of them are bad for you.

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by undopaminergic on December 7, 2021, at 10:55:15

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by Lamdage22 on December 7, 2021, at 10:30:12

> Exercise has many side effects, almost none of them are bad for you.

The aches are unpleasant but they are a good sign that the muscles have been exercised and are getting bigger. Knowing that, they're easier to tolerate.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by Lamdage22 on December 7, 2021, at 10:57:47

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by undopaminergic on December 7, 2021, at 10:55:15

Hmm, I like that feeling. Sore muscles, some protein and I know I am on the right path:)

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by Lamdage22 on January 11, 2022, at 12:08:38

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by Lamdage22 on December 7, 2021, at 10:57:47

I followed your lead and picked up walking and cross trainer (cardio). Trying to get that resting heart rate down. Also, today is slept for 4 hours in the middle of the day, so my guess is I needed some recovery. It is hard when you have been inactive for many years. Your body doesn't know what is going on. It needs to learn. What is crackin at the hospital? You still there?

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by undopaminergic on January 12, 2022, at 10:29:48

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by Lamdage22 on January 11, 2022, at 12:08:38

> I followed your lead and picked up walking and cross trainer (cardio). Trying to get that resting heart rate down.
>

I take 2x 2.5 mg of bisoprolol (a beta-blocker) for that, and my pulse is still over 80 most of the time.

> What is crackin at the hospital? You still there?

I was home for Christmas, but otherwise, yes. Nothing new, except that we just had a week of wearing masks outside of our rooms. That's over now. I don't know why.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by Lamdage22 on January 12, 2022, at 13:39:25

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by undopaminergic on January 12, 2022, at 10:29:48

how come? Why betablocker?

> my pulse is still over 80 most of the time.

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by undopaminergic on January 14, 2022, at 11:02:27

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by Lamdage22 on January 12, 2022, at 13:39:25

To bring down the pulse. The beta1-adrenoceptor is the potentially harmful one with respect to the heart, so hence bisoprolol, which leaves beta2 alone.

> how come? Why betablocker?
>
> > my pulse is still over 80 most of the time.
>

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by Lamdage22 on January 15, 2022, at 10:03:59

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by undopaminergic on January 14, 2022, at 11:02:27

Why was it high though?

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by undopaminergic on January 15, 2022, at 10:29:10

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by Lamdage22 on January 15, 2022, at 10:03:59

> Why was it high though?

I wish I knew. I recall when I was in primary school the teacher mentioned that the resting pulse is normally about 60 bpm, but could be lower if you are particularly fit. I checked mine and it was notably higher. I don't remember the exact figure.

Sometimes when I'm lying in bed, it can actually drop a little below 60, but that is exceptional, and I wouldn't even know unless I was monitoring it with a Polar H10 heart rate sensor. When I took my first dose of PEA it also dropped below 60, due to baroreceptor activation resulting from the noradrenaline released.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by Lamdage22 on January 15, 2022, at 10:31:17

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by undopaminergic on January 15, 2022, at 10:29:10

And no one bothers to find out? 60 is quite low. Most people are way above especially if they dont work out!

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by Lamdage22 on January 15, 2022, at 10:31:45

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by Lamdage22 on January 15, 2022, at 10:31:17

Its healthy but not that common.

 

Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids

Posted by undopaminergic on January 15, 2022, at 10:44:31

In reply to Re: Exercise and endogenous opioids, posted by Lamdage22 on January 15, 2022, at 10:31:17

> And no one bothers to find out?

How does one find out?

I have EKGs taken at least a couple of times a year.

> 60 is quite low. Most people are way above especially if they dont work out!

Yeah, but how common is 80+ when your just sitting and not even talking?

-undopaminergic


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