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Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? alexandra_k

Posted by Phillipa on April 4, 2021, at 18:23:30

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? Phillipa, posted by alexandra_k on April 4, 2021, at 17:52:43

Thanks chimps it is then. I had forgotten about the mistaken half doses being given that produced a more robust response than the original two dose vaccine. But in England they are still giving two doses but have spread the doses apart by three months. Since it triggers the immune system and those clots are found in the lungs hence why people can not breath. I think that one dose is better than 2 doses. But I wonder if the fact that this vaccine must go through three steps to get to mrna could be a factor. I just know those I know here older people like myself most have had the Pfizer and have done extremely well. There has to be a connection in the process of getting to the mrna that causes the clotting. And this is the least expensive vaccine? Also there is a link in the article about some being produced in India did not read it though. But today in California a new variant was found the Indian variant? Phillipa

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 4, 2021, at 18:27:55

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?, posted by alexandra_k on April 4, 2021, at 18:05:57

I mean, the way I think of it is...

It is important that people not crap all over others work and so on... Go running off to complain.

But I haven't done that. I was honest with them to their faces. I was even honest with their superiors. I exhausted internal complaints resolution. With Waikato, I was blown off by the VC before I complained externally. When I complained externally I complained to the Ombudsman. I complained to politicians (parliament). I complained to the media.

They had every opportunity to take steps to put things right and they refused.

So...

I mean...

All those people out there who care about their health and the health of people they love...

All those people when they want to know what research they should trust... What hospital... What medication manufacturers...

If there is anything at all or it's all just a scummy scam.

You look at whistleblowers... If people see problems. If the problems are sorted so they don't need to complain.

NZ is so f*ck*ng inefficient we just bitch and whine and moan and don't do any f*ck*ng work all day.

There's nothing here.

The Ombudsman doesn't function

I think the courts...

The judges are so caught up in the idea of writing beautiful judgments they forgot timely justice was the goal or aim.

There's nothing here.

Judicial review shouldn't take several years.

There's nothing here.

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?

Posted by Phillipa on April 4, 2021, at 18:31:07

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on April 4, 2021, at 18:23:30

Link to new Indian variant. So far only one on google.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/first-confirmed-case-indian-coronavirus-variant-

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?

Posted by Phillipa on April 4, 2021, at 18:32:06

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?, posted by Phillipa on April 4, 2021, at 18:31:07

It was removed? Why?

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?

Posted by Phillipa on April 4, 2021, at 18:37:22

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?, posted by Phillipa on April 4, 2021, at 18:31:07

Just posted on google 5 minutes ago. Indian variant in CA.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/double-mutant-covid-19-variant-found-in-the-bay-area/2509887/

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? Phillipa

Posted by alexandra_k on April 5, 2021, at 20:54:27

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on April 4, 2021, at 18:23:30

I still think this 'there is a new strain worse than the old strain and old vaccinations don't work anymore!!!' is presently *wishful thinking* on behalf of the mRNA vaccination people. Because their vaccinations are better to handle quick updates. So... If the virus does evolve to require an update to the vaccine then (crudely) they win the vaccination Olympics!! Less crudely, that is a significant boon for their mechanism of delivery.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/health/how-covid-19-vaccines-work.html

I can't read the link anymore... I think there was a clear statement of the different technology that the different vaccines worked on...


> Thanks chimps it is then.

Yes. It is a DNA vaccine. It goes into the DNA (but is not thought to be capable of replicating itself). The cell then transcribes it into mRNA which is translated into spike proteins that induce the body to make antibodies to the spike proteins.

> I had forgotten about the mistaken half doses being given that produced a more robust response than the original two dose vaccine.

Yes. Sometimes the significance comes later.

> I think that one dose is better than 2 doses.

I think that more frequent, weaker exposures are more likely to produce long-term immunity. But long-term immunity isn't needed if you want to give people a new shot with the new strain every year (as they really really really really do).


> But I wonder if the fact that this vaccine must go through three steps to get to mrna could be a factor.

?

> I just know those I know here older people like myself most have had the Pfizer and have done extremely well.

Oh yes. Older people have had ALL THE TYPES and done really really really really well. We are worrying about very very rare events. Very very rare. Even in the AstraZeneca one...


> There has to be a connection in the process of getting to the mrna that causes the clotting.

I don't know.

I read that it was a recombinant vaccine and recombinant vaccines need an ajudcant and those can create immune system problems... But I can't find that again to process what it meeeeeeans or if it seems plausible to me.

(Do tell me to pipe down if you feel I'm hijacking).

((Phillipa))

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? alexandra_k

Posted by Phillipa on April 6, 2021, at 20:35:12

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? Phillipa, posted by alexandra_k on April 5, 2021, at 20:54:27

News today. There is a risk of clots with this vaccine. The findings are going to be released tomorrow per Covid newsletter. Why those clots do form. It was hinted that birth control pills might be a contributing factor. Tomorrow going to be an update from the company. Phillipa

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 7, 2021, at 2:51:24

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on April 6, 2021, at 20:35:12

https://www.ebmconsult.com/articles/oral-contraceptive-clotting-factors-thrombosis-dvt-pe

it says here clots associated with birth control has to do with levels of estrogen, primarily, and that the estrogen raises the levels of clotting factors in the blood.

NZ just approved Janssen. I think it is our name for the Johnson one.

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 7, 2021, at 2:53:05

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?, posted by alexandra_k on April 7, 2021, at 2:51:24

that means HRT could be an issue, too.

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 7, 2021, at 6:21:15

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?, posted by alexandra_k on April 7, 2021, at 2:53:05

https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3409

adjuvant

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 8, 2021, at 3:39:29

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?, posted by alexandra_k on April 7, 2021, at 6:21:15

so one comes with risk of blood clots. another comes with risk of anaphalactic shock. both are treatable, but a pain in the *rs*, and can be fatal. both are rare...

eventually we will get to individualised medicine.

in the meantime... the winner of the best vaccine for under 60's with no history of ethylene glycol reaction gold medal goes to....

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? alexandra_k

Posted by Phillipa on April 8, 2021, at 9:28:30

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?, posted by alexandra_k on April 8, 2021, at 3:39:29

Winner is Pfizer. Why it's now being given to those age 5-11 in clinical trial. If something is safe enough for young children it has to be pretty darn safe. Next will be babies age 6 months to age 5. Right now those from age 16 and up are getting vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine. In this state no parental permission is needed. Also the J&J is being given on college campus's all over in different states. Some giving the Pfizer also. Moderna is going to begin clinical trials also for young children. In retrospect I should have gotten the Pfizer vaccine so much more protective than J&J. In the children's trial it's l00% protective. Astra Zeneca it's now admitted that clots do exist and trying to find out why. One theory is that since occurring in younger females those under some say 30 but I've read 50 also that hormones and birth control pills could be a factor. Should have more news on this with newsletter this evening. Also Dr Fauci said that the US will not need Astra Zeneca as we have three vaccines already. Good way to opt out. Phillipa

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? Phillipa

Posted by alexandra_k on April 8, 2021, at 18:07:30

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on April 8, 2021, at 9:28:30

> Winner is Pfizer.

You think? Why not Moderna?

> If something is safe enough for young children it has to be pretty darn safe.

One would hope so. They just halted the AstraZenica trial in children.

I saw that somewhere in the US they were inviting pregnant women to become vaccinated. I don't remember which vaccine. They wanted to see if the baby would be born with immunity.

> Next will be babies age 6 months to age 5. Right now those from age 16 and up are getting vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine. In this state no parental permission is needed.

Interesting. Which state?

> In retrospect I should have gotten the Pfizer vaccine so much more protective than J&J.

Huh. Why do you like Pfizer more than Moderna?

> In the children's trial it's l00% protective.


Yes, but you aren't a child.


> Astra Zeneca it's now admitted that clots do exist and trying to find out why.


Mmm. I find it... Disingenuous that they say they don't know why. I mean... I'm sure there is a lot to learn about some particular features... But I don't get the feeling they are being forthright about this, at all...

> One theory is that since occurring in younger females those under some say 30 but I've read 50 also that hormones and birth control pills could be a factor.

There are only a few people who have been affected by the clot. They werent' all women. I don't think the affected guys were on HRT (estrogen or progesterone)...

It is not a good look that different countries have limited AstraZenica in different ways. Saying that they won't use it in x age bracket anymore but it is still avaiilable to others.

I think Oxford lags... Ethically.

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? alexandra_k

Posted by Phillipa on April 8, 2021, at 20:47:29

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? Phillipa, posted by alexandra_k on April 8, 2021, at 18:07:30

South Carolina is the state no parental consent needed for vaccination at age 16 same with Moderna but that one is for 18 and over so they wouldn't need it anyway.

I feel from what others here where I live have said and on my facebook page that there are a lot more frequent side effects from Moderna than Pfizer.

Moderna is also doing trials with children they are just behind Pfizer time wise.

Every day there is something new with the vaccines here.

Astra Zeneca halted trials with children and now people will have another choice of vaccines. Moderna is their second vaccine now. Phillipa

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 8, 2021, at 21:35:52

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on April 8, 2021, at 20:47:29

Okay, yes.

You need to think about the base rate.

I mean to say... It might be that more people are reporting side affects from Moderna than Pfizer... But in the US I think a lot more people have had the Moderna one than the Pfizer one.

For example... Suppose 1 in 10 have side effects (with either of the vaccines). Then suppose 100 people have the Pfizer vaccine and 100,000 people have the Moderna vaccine.

Then suppose 10 people complain about Pfizer and 10,000 people complain about Moderna.

That's a lot more complaints about Moderna...

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 8, 2021, at 21:41:50

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?, posted by alexandra_k on April 8, 2021, at 21:35:52

Phillipa... Given that you haven't had side-effects...

I'm kind of curious why you don't think that you picked the right vaccine -- *for you*.

Yeah.

I am feeling good about Johnson that they dumped a lot in the name of quality control. That means they are doing quality control.

I don't understand...

When I was in North Carolina one of the things I found strange was the bathroom supplies section of the Supermarket. I was surprised that the only product I had brand recognition for was Tampax.

In New Zealand 'Johnson and Johnson' is a trusted brand. They make baby powder and baby shampoo and bodywash and stuff like that. They market as being gentle and non-irritating. Etc. But I don't think 'Johnson and Johnson' has brand recognition in the Carolinas???

Here... We aren't getting 'Johnson and Johnson' vaccination. We are getting 'Janssen' vaccination as the one-dose only that doesn't need cold store. 'Janssen' isn't a brand name recognition thing at all. It's a little like 'Cussons' (with the two ss)... Cussons makes soap... But no brand recognition, really...

I am curious about why...

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? alexandra_k

Posted by Phillipa on April 9, 2021, at 9:07:29

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?, posted by alexandra_k on April 8, 2021, at 21:41:50

J&J isn't the one most of the hospitals and doctors offices have given out. And testing on infants and children to me says it must be safe. I just question why the J&J is being used so little here. I know it's less protective but so many people are fully vaccinated and yet getting Covid. Not in the Carolinas but in the North East. There is a huge rise in Covid in NY, NY, PA, CT, RI, MA,. Why when their restrictions are still in place is it rising? I think a lot could have to do that so many with higher education and less trust of the government live there. So maybe they are not getting vaccinated? Phillipa

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 9, 2021, at 18:17:29

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on April 9, 2021, at 9:07:29

I found a Wiki entry on J&J and they are a NJ company. Janssen is their pharmaceuticals division. I didn't know that. Of course we have band-aid. I am not a baby powder user... But I see there were concerns about asbestos in the baby powder and they have limited some supply to the US (because the liability laws are developed there) and they may be mixed up with the Opiates thing.... mdkmdkdknfd...

> J&J isn't the one most of the hospitals and doctors offices have given out.

Yes. I read something today saying they are finding blood clots with J&J now.

I read something yesterday saying they were finding people fainting and so on with J&J in North Carolina yesterday. I thought that sounded psychosomatic. THe way some people have needle-fear responses to having blood drawn. Maybe an association, even. Fainting. Dizzyness. But hard to know. And if it happens with one particular batch...

> And testing on infants and children to me says it must be safe.

I really wish that were so. That is supposed to be the case.

I was reading yesterday about experiments / observational studies done in Auckland yesterday. Born into nutritional deprivation. I mean to say taking premature babies that aren't going to be breast fed and feeding them formula designed (best I can figure) to keep them in a state of Potassium deprivation. To see what happens. More particularly to try and induce a lifetime of lack of thriving and deprivation. Because... You know... Why wouldn't you? If you thought you could get away with it? Why not? I mean... Why else would you want to work with premature babies? Helping you, helping you, helping myself to you. It is important not to under-estimate the level or amount or degree of psychopathy out there.

The US has the most well-developed laws and systems of accountability Best I can figure. I mean... I'm sure there is more than a little aspect or element of Hollywood about it. But the ideal or ideology is there. That people are held to account.

Marc Hauser lost his Harvard monkey lab because falsification of data was happening in his lab and because he is the head of the lab he is responsible for the culture (whereby graduate students are falsifying their data for favorable findings).

Can you imagine how much pressure the vaccine developers were under to produce a vaccine that could be manufacturered quickly to save us all from the epidemic?

And they find blood clots... Bearing in mind how very very very very very very rare they are... They still think that the rewards (protection from Covid) outnumber the risks...

But it has become very politicised... Whereby governments are... Withdrawing emergency dispensation? Stopping vaccinating people. Choosing what vaccine is right for people. Instead of keeping as up to date with the stats as they can and providing the information. People should not hear 'it is completely safe' they should hear 'there is a risk of adverse effects associated with ANY medical procedure'. Maybe BEFORE they turn up for vaccination . Maybe in a separate appointment. I don't know... We need to get better at informed consent. The governments really really don't seem to like it, at all...

> I just question why the J&J is being used so little here.

Because Moderna. Moderna is Harvard, Phillipa. It's the latest and greatest cutting edge of vaccination technology. I don't quite know what is up with the branding... But I think Pfizer is their... Not quite their generic... But... Well... They want to trial the vaccine on more people than they can get it to with Moderna manufacturing alone... Pfizer is also American. But there's some kind of partnership with Europe. To get it into the European market. They needed countries to cough up a bit, too, with the cost of development.

And they (unspecified) are trying to help the development of health systems all around the world. Development of cold-chain storage. Motivate that. It's infra-structure needed for science research and future developments of Medicines.

> I know it's less protective

Yes, I saw that yesterday. Quite protective against severe (around 80 per cent) but a bit less protective against mild forms. Maybe (but they don't know) you can still transmit to the virus if you have a mild form (e.g., with coughs and sneezes).

> but so many people are fully vaccinated and yet getting Covid.

It takes some time for the immune response to develop so the person is protected. People don't seem to understand that. It isn't a silver bullet. You have the vaccine and it takes, I don't know... More than a week, I think, for your body to have developed a response that will protect you. Then, most of them require a booster shot after 2 weeks. To help your body keep around a number of antibodies / antibody producing cells so that you can mount a response quickly if you are exposed to the virus next time.

People aren't fully protected until a couple weeks after the second dose, I think.

So... It's a really risky time. Once people have a vaccination they think they are immediately immune and they stop doing the things that were protecting them before.

I predicted that people would transmit the virus more when they (wrongly) believed themselves to be immune a short time after they had been vaccinated. I think that's reasonable to believe.

So that could explain the huge increase in the North East. As people have one shot (or two) and feel invulnerable. Also.... Catching Covid AFTER you have been vaccinated... Is more likely (statistically) than getting a blood clot.

I think there are pockets of high density immigrants forced to huddle in the cold. They dont have bank accounts, drivers lisences, medicare, medicaid. They aren't going to be getting vaccinations -- are they?

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 9, 2021, at 18:47:57

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?, posted by alexandra_k on April 9, 2021, at 18:17:29

I shouldn't have said Moderna was Harvard.

I don't quite understand... But glimmers...

The Bay Area was quite the place to go for tech start-ups. Silicon valley. Lots of start-up companies from graduates of the schools there, or whatever.

I think the East Cost is (or is trying to be) that for Biotechnology. Pharmaceuticals. The Ivy Leagues Schools over there... The graduates. Something to do when you finish school with your fancy advanced studies in biotechnology engineering or whatever. Statistics. Whatever... Companies.

ANd the companies are traded...

And people are supposed to (ideally) invest in a diverse portfolio of companies. Which distributes the risk. Because you get a range... From small start-ups with an idea that might work out (but likely not). But they good people, doing good work, and they need time and space... And they can work for other people for a time on something more likely to pan out with slower progressive progress... A less risky venture... And they can have freedom to start-up a new idea again...

And some kind of a... System... Like that. To try and have some kind of a balance between steady progress and giving people freedom to find / discover / get working some of the more revolutionary things.

And it's done in these start-ups or post University environment.

We don't have that in NZ. NASA said something teh other day about how it's like NZ expects to go from the industrial age (and we aren't there, yet, we are still based on agriculture exploiting the natural environment) to the virtual age without going througg the information age.

And we don't have control over our data. We don't have the skills to keep it and learn from it. To store it. Manipulate it. Etc.

What that means is our ideas are stolen. We don't have the infrastructure to do anything with them.

They are stolen before the copyrights or patents come through. We don't have intellectual property laws anyway. We don't enforce the laws we do. Nothign can grow here.

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? alexandra_k

Posted by Phillipa on April 9, 2021, at 21:43:14

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?, posted by alexandra_k on April 9, 2021, at 18:17:29

I don't know about the immigrants. But I read today that Moderna is a company only 10 years old. Yes the baby powder there are lawsuits for ovarian cancer in females if the used the baby powder that's been ongoing for years here now. I do still feel Pfizer is the better of the three vaccines. I just sense it. And it's two weeks after second dose of both Moderna and Pfizer for immunity. But I have I think a site got off one of my RN doctor newsletters that gives the link and all the reported side effects from the vaccines, ages of people, sex, where they live, what the reactions they are reporting was. I will see if in my brower for you to glance over. Phillipa

https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 10, 2021, at 5:00:10

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on April 9, 2021, at 21:43:14

They've changed their website now. Not exactly a start-up anymore. When the vaccine came out they were a rather large company, already...

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 10, 2021, at 17:19:07

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on April 9, 2021, at 21:43:14

I am not being racist about it. I just mean that if people are hiding because they don't want to be deported then they aren't likely to turn up to a vaccine clinic and hand over any personal details (any kind of identification, phone, address). So it will be hard to reach some communities. That means there will be pockets of unimmunised people. Often the people living in the most over-crowded and cramped conditions.

Rhode Island says they don't know how many illegal immigrants they have. Could be 10,000. Could be 20,000. They don't know. Was it Trump who was actually pushing for illegals to fill out a census? So then the USA would know how many there were. For planning of services. Like vaccinations.

I see what happens in RI and it's a pretty good barometer of how things are headed / the way things are going, here.

Maybe because our media often get inspiration from foreign news.

But other things...

There was an initial delay in the vaccine roll-out. They said it was because they started targeting vulnerable people / with equity in mind. And what happened at that time was people like the board of directors (and their families) grubbed up all the vaccines that there were, and the rest were hoarded, by them, to make sure they (and their families) would get 2 doses before it was rolled out to much of anyone else.

RI managed to get a hospital merger through. That is to say the board of directors of a private hospital (that would have had access to no vaccines, best I can figure, as a private hospital) managed to merge with public hospitals. Apparently the hold up was what would happen with the boards, in particular. With the vaccines and their families, I suppose.

They said that they didn't break the law in what they did. But I think the people feel that they broke the spirit of the law.

The people know... When you donate. Blood products. Organs. Etc etc. They know how the resources are (aren't) shared around.

So people don't donate.

So they steal.

So the race to the bottom... Keeping things held back. Failing to thrive. Failing to grow. Failing to develop. Tyrants with their iron fists refusing to do what they are supposed to do. Refusing to provide an environment worth working towards or for.

The managers have been grubbing up the vaccines here.

They can match things, here. Only the front line workers were getting regular nasal swabs. I don't think the managers were going through those invasive procedures... So we can see of all the shots that were given to front line workers and their families how many of those were given to people returnign frequent nasal swabs?

We are just starting to vaccinate front line workers, now. Rather than the 'front line' managers and their families.

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 10, 2021, at 17:32:28

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?, posted by alexandra_k on April 10, 2021, at 17:19:07

I think they are saying 1 : 10,000 with clots are the numbers coming out of Germany. They think those are likely to be the best numbers. Not sure why. They have a robust system for reporting adverse events, I suppose. Perhaps.

The vaccines are... Let's be generous and say 80-97 per cent effective.

That is the same thing as saying 3-20 : 100 or 300-2,000 : 10,000 people who have been vaccinated will get Covid.

So you are more likely to get Covid after being fully protected from vaccination than to get blood clot.

It could even be (but we don't know yet) that the blood clot post vaccine is due to the people actually getting Covid even though they were vaccinated.

I don't know.

I am more surprised that Moderna hasn't found this same issue with theirs. Or Pfizer.

I know that the US places were asking other companies for ALL their RAW data so they could do their own data analysis on their data. They didn't trust the data analysis.

I don't know that other countries are doing their own data analysis on the US medications? Don't know.

Apparently countries were asking for raw data out of China... Except NZ who hadn't finished reading the report, yet, or some nonsense...

Our government and the people of NZ generally are very anti-intellectual. That is to say they rubbish rubbish pooh pooh academics. And that attitude comes from within with the hiring decisions they make and the subjects they have them teach and so on. I don't know how much it is pressure from outside keeping things held back or if it genuinely comes from within.

But it means they government, even, doesn't hire skilled, knowledgeable, competent people to do the advising. There was this joke about how the politicians need to be able to understand the reports. And indeed they do. The push to even higher education is NZ has been to get people through in the minimum time (3 years for undergrad) and so on. The thought is no value is added for taking longer. YOu just realise they have nothing to teach you. They put you to work for no pay. Is all. A scummy scummy scammy scam.

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 10, 2021, at 17:41:10

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?, posted by alexandra_k on April 10, 2021, at 17:32:28

There was this thing about taking novels out of NCEA so they could herd the students through with film or media. They say it's about disguising the lack of reading comprehension.

At University (in Australia as well) there is a push to not teach primary texts.

When I came through as an undergrad I read Plato and Kant (in translation). Development would be learning languages, as well, to be able to read them in their original form. That would be progress.

But things have gone the other way. The studnets aren't asked or required to read Plato and Kant, anymore. The lectures aren't about close analysis of a passage, anymore. Rather, insofar as those things are taught the kids are expected to kludge together the lecturers powerpoint slides in essay form and spit them back with linking words. Maybe type the slides into google and see if they get hits and insert a reference or two...

Else they replace difficult texts with texts that are simpler. Nagal's 'what does it all mean' or textbooks or whatever. Things with a lower reading age.

They say it's about the students not being bright / motivated. But it's a way of depriving studnets of an education is what it is.

Where are the kids supposed to go if they want to grow and develop their reading comprehension of texts that are difficult?

The answer is: Overseas.

It's not clear whether the High Court Judges of NZ have the reading comprehension to understand what 'based in the reports of examiners' means.

Or what 'freedom to work to international standards of scholarship' means.

To comprehend (3 years later) that that means when the external examiners are willing to sign off that a graduate research degree has been finished... That means it's been finished. That means you confer the Degree.

Or it means you get shut down and you pay out your studnets. Your student slaves. The kids you carefully selected for their state of intellectual handicap? That was the plan?

F*ck*ng psychopaths.

They get sick... The vultures gloat.

There is no medicine, here.

 

Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 10, 2021, at 17:52:25

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria?, posted by alexandra_k on April 10, 2021, at 17:41:10

I see how it is, here, with the boards and the managers.

The managers doing the hirings and the firings. The managers deciding whether the doctors will have jobs at all (and how much they will pay them). Whether they will pay them to do the job in the public hospital -- or whether they will pay them more to sub-contract for the job to be done privately. The same doctors. Just about whether they have to work in the public hospital or whether they get to work off-site in a private hospital.

And I see... It's family.

I remember reading something about the A2 milk thing... Before they were merged with / taken over by Fonterra. When they were atually independent. There was a thing about cows producing milk that lacked a protein they wanted to blame lactose intolerance on, or something like that. That had far reaching implications for breeding cows for different traits than had been done before. Lots of money tied up. The potential to move or shift milk from large volume production to less volume higher quality... Someone died. In strange circumstances. Someone young. In a motel or hotel room, I think. Then, a bit later there was a merger.

A couple died recently. Stabbed by someone. Upstanding members of the Indian community. She worked in something to do with Pharmacology. A support services kind of a role. He worked in something to do with Education. Helping people come to NZ to get an education to get into pharmacology (or Medicine). That kind of a thing. This big thing about how they moved into the grammar zone for the schooling and their kid graduated from Massey with an Engineering Degree...

A manager of a hospital in South Auckland died. At home. Her husband (a doctor) was a person of suspicion... He tells the media (even though he has been advised not to speak by his lawyer) this big story about how everything was perfect...

And about how she had been vaccinated twice.

I suppose their whole family had been.

I suppose it's fake news...

But I also suppose that that's what the 'vaccinating front line workers and their families' looks like.

And the doctors who are earning the big bucks working in their private hospitals treating the elite people on the taxpayers public dime... They are teh family of the managers and the board of directors and the like.

And, of course, that's why you get into health. Hospitals. Medicine. TO grubbity grub grub grub up all the resources for you and your family. Helping you, helping you, helping me help myself to you.

Is all there is.

Which is to say there really isn't anything, at all.

I mourn the loss of human potential. All the things that could have been except for the psychopaths ruining the things for us all.


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