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Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k

Posted by Phillipa on March 18, 2021, at 18:11:51

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on March 18, 2021, at 16:16:20

Blood clots are a natural occurrence when they just stop you from bleeding if you have a cut or other. The clots occur and clog a blood vessel or artery. That is a bad thing. Can cause no blood to flow to a part of your body by occluding blood flow to heart, lungs brain. The clots is made of your own blood.

Right now the Astra Zenaca vaccine is being studied for approval in the USA. But the newsletter I received both today and yesterday said that with the African variant it's only 10% effective. I would guess unless something else turns up positive that the USA will not approve it. They have three vaccines now. And thanks for the glad I'm still around!. Going to post a medical definition of a blood clot for you. Going to google a good one now. Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Phillipa on March 18, 2021, at 18:21:33

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on March 18, 2021, at 18:11:51

Alex, hope this link works. Long medical explanation of the components of blood clots, mechanism of action, when they are good and what happens to make them not a good thing. Phillipa

https://www.medicinenet.com/blood_clots/article.htm

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by alexandra_k on March 20, 2021, at 4:43:06

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on March 18, 2021, at 18:11:51

The main advantage of the mRNA vaccines is meant to be that it is easy to update them. So... When the virus evolves it is easy to update the vaccination to offer protection against new strains. So... We would expect to hear a lot of 'the virus is evolving faster than the old technology can keep up with isn't it a good thing that we invested sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo (OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo) much money in mRNA vaccination technology?'

(and the cold storage etc etc etc)...

With respect to clotting (the coagulation cascade) it's really complicated. I mean... I still get lost / stuck in Pathoma chapter explaining things...

But in addition to the normal or usual or typical things that trigger the coagulation cascade (clotting) or what goes on with it...

There are a bunch of pathological things that can go wrong with it.

I don't know what pathological thing is going wrong with the coagulation cascade such that some people are having clotting problems with that particular kind of Covid vaccination. That was what I meant to say.

For example, one reason why people can have pathological clotting in their blood is that their own body is making antibodies that are reacting (treating as antigen) some component of the blood vessel wall or something like that.

The worry is that if you give people a vaccination that triggers their body to make antibodies... The antibodies that are produced by the vaccination might respond not just to Covid (as they were supposed to) but they might react to something in the body.

So... An autoimmune problem.

For example... In Streptococcus infection sometimes the bacteria gets into the blood and the bacteria lodges on heart valves. I think (but I'm not certain from memory...) that there's a certain type of collagen in the heart valves. The Immune system response that in evoked by the presence of the Strep can cross-react with the heart valves. That is to say the antibodies bind to the heart valves. Then the neutrophils (I think from memory) or maybe macrophage come along and destroy the bacteria... And also destroy the heart valves the bacteria was attached to. So they end up with valve problems / backflow issues. Heart failure...

There are clotting problems that can arise from antibodies attachign to blood vessels when they shouldn't be attaching to blood vessels. Then the immune response damaging the vessles in teh process of removing the antibodies.

That was actually the kind of auto-immune response that I was worried about (more so than anaphalactic shock). The idea that exposing the body to an antigen (which a vaccine is doing usually but maybe not the mRNA ones)... Getting the body to produce antibodies... Might have this potential side affect of the antibodies that are produced not being as specific as we would like and there is a risk with any antibody that is produced being a bit more general so as to target the body and not just the pathogen.

That was my thought. That every time the body makes a new antibody... There is a risk that that antibody will target self-tissue as well.

So... This ideal of vaccinating people against ALL the things migh tresult in autoimmune diseases going up up up in prevalence.

So there might be a trade-off...

I think that is likely. I would put my money on that.

I am interested in what they find in the clots. If it is a clump of antibody or what it is...

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k

Posted by Phillipa on March 20, 2021, at 9:54:13

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on March 20, 2021, at 4:43:06

Yes the cytokine storms that happen to some when they have covid already. What you wrote about strep is correct which is why you must take antibiotics with any strep infection like strep throat. If left untreated it can enter the blood stream and cause sepsis which can in itself cause death. But any infection which requires antibiotics can attack the heart. A reason that someone who doesn't take care of their teeth and gum disease can travel to the heart and cause the same problems you speak of.

But the Johnson & Johnson vaccine if not mRNA vaccine doesn't present the same clotting problems does it? Last evening on the news it is reported that this Covid is evolving so fast that there are I think it's 6 variants that the FDA and CDC are watching closely. New booster vaccines are being produced now for these new variants. Hence the rush to vaccinate people before they receive no protection at all from the vaccines. I noticed that the Covid numbers are rising again today all over the South here but seem to be falling in the West Coast and they had the most cases a few days ago. Astra Zeneca is again being used in the UK but I don't think the European Nation is giving the shots at the moment. There will be some meeting of the heads of the different countries to decide. Meanwhile the USA is ramping up the vaccines again. Just received another phone call that we could get a J&J vaccine today down the road at a pharmacy but since we received ours now someone else can have our doses. How are things in New Zealand as of today? As for what is contained in the blood clots that's a good question. Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa

Posted by Noa on March 20, 2021, at 17:17:20

In reply to Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Phillipa on February 1, 2021, at 9:25:09

Phillipa, Ive had the first dose of the Pfizer. So far so good. Just a tiny bit of ache right near the injection site for one night.

> Anyone received one of the available Covid vaccines. Please share experience both good and bad. And which vaccine did you receive? Or did you decide not to get one and if so why? And finally who has had Covid? Thanks Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by alexandra_k on March 20, 2021, at 17:39:37

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on March 20, 2021, at 9:54:13

Yes, that's right. Bacteria can get into the blood (particularly a kind of bacteria that lives in the mouth / oropharynx) and if the body is required to mount a serous immune response to that bacteria then the antibodies that the body starts to make have a tenency to attack self-tissue. Heart valves.

So you want to give people anti-biotics to keep down the number of the bacteria so that the body doesn't start pumping out the massive numbers of antibodies that cause problems.

That could be a reason why you might want to do careful research on how much of a dose you give people when you vaccinate them. If some people have a very reactive immune system (older women) then you might want to give them weaker doses to produce the required immune response...

I think women might have more of a tendancy to develop auto-immune conditions because they carry a foetus. A foetus is not-them. It is an antigen. It should be... There are things that go on so that the woman's body suppresses an immune response against the foetus... But I do wonder that the cost of that (if you like) is that the body develops autoimmune problems later. Tendancy to. I don't know that that is true. That would predict that the more kids a woman had the higher risk of autoimmune would be and I don't know that that is true at all. There is a lot I don't know / understand about immunology...

That is interesting what you said about teeth / gums. Actually. We have rheumatic fever in NZ. Quite a lot of it. Because people (Maaori but also Pacific Islanders even more so) are not given antibiotics by their rural community GPs. They (the GPs) are full of excuses about how they won't take them anyway but the biggest excuse is that we don't want to breed resistent bacteria. But then you look at how we prophylactically feed chickens and so on antibiotics precisely so that we can keep them in unsanitary conditions that would kill them otherwise... And it's not about us caring about antibiotic resistence. It is about us making active decisions to keep people in the worst conditions we can get away with. Withholding medical treatment from people who would likely consent. Forcing medical treatment from people who would not.


> But the Johnson & Johnson vaccine if not mRNA vaccine doesn't present the same clotting problems does it?

I don't know what the clotting problems are. I don't know what sub-population was found to have clotting problems and I don't know if it was limited to a particular place with manufacturing. I don't think that clotting problems have been noticed for any other vaccine and also it is apparently controversial whether there are any clotting problems at all with the other one.


> Last evening on the news it is reported that this Covid is evolving so fast that there are I think it's 6 variants that the FDA and CDC are watching closely. New booster vaccines are being produced now for these new variants.

Yes. That's the vision. New mRNA vaccines for new strains... People will get 6 monthly or yearly vaccinations against the latest spectrum of things that people have decided people should be vaccinated against... Like... Software updates every few months or whatever to keep your computer online. Plugged in. Functional.

In New Zealand... We have had various government interventions. Being told we are requird to stay home and not go to work. Courts being closed for business for a bit. Things like that. Face masks on buses... Events cancelled. Concerts and the like.

But with respect to Covid... We haven't really had it. I don't know that a single person in NZ has died of it. Our hospital system was not overwhelmed... The consultants fled and they emptied out... People wouldn't present because they were afraid. It was embarrassing for our health sector that while the rest of the world was inundated with medical work ours closed up shop. Nobody home.

People were complaining they were having a baby... Their husband or friend or support person was not allowed in the hospital. Then they were left isolated and unattended for many hours in the hospital. There wasn't anybody there.

There's nobody in NZ... They make artificial clumps. They encourage / force peopel to congregate in very very large groups all packed together. But you go 50m in a direction and there's no people so far as the eye can see...

Only about every 3rd apartment is lived in. Etc.

We just had the Americas Cup yachting event. I live on the harbour now. It is a nice central location. But I see the artificiality in the way tehy structure everything to try and force crowds...

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Noa

Posted by Phillipa on March 20, 2021, at 17:49:17

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa, posted by Noa on March 20, 2021, at 17:17:20

Hi Noa: Congrats on your first dose of Pfizer! Perfectly normal reaction. Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by alexandra_k on March 20, 2021, at 17:50:08

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on March 20, 2021, at 4:43:06

and they will say it's because the tourists aren't here. it was built for the tourists and the tourists aren't here. that's why it feels empty.

but that's not true because i was saying about how empty it really was a few years back, now.

it was particularly striking doing first year health science and they pack things intentionally so there's a stampede and a crush outside the lecture theatres. e.g., to get in to 10am cell biology class there would be a pack of studnets... around 1,000 of them outside the lecture theatre in the 30 minutes or so prior to lecture.

and the traffic... the morning traffic as everybody tries to arrive in the city at exactly the same time. 9am. or 8.30am to beat the traffic. or 8am to beat the traffic. and everybody leaves at the same time. 3pm to pick up the kids from school. or 5 pm when they get off work. or 5.30pm to avoid the traffic or 6pm to avoid the traffic.

but when i was out of that... walking down the streets at 9:30am and *there is nobody here*. The roads are empty. The motorways are nearly empty. There are no people in sight. The people are artificially kept huddling outside the lecture theatre in a cramped space. Or huddled 60 to a floor inside an open plan office.

With every other floor (at least): EMPTY.

There's nobody here.

The government kept records on arrivals...

But not departures. They didn't keep records on how many people FLED NZ.

And the tourist reviews got worse and worse and worse and people stopped coming here. So we intentionally marketed / advertised to... It became about 'how low can you go'.

And about getting refugees and migrant workers to do the work that locals wouldn't do. Trick or con them into it while their language skills werent' good enough for them to hear what the people with power really thought of them / their occuption. Etc.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by alexandra_k on March 20, 2021, at 17:56:22

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on March 20, 2021, at 17:50:08

I don't know what you call it when you buy a company and then you liquidate things to get the money out.

Sell off all the assets. Gut the buildings. A library with a few big group study desks and cheap tables. They can bring their own devices even, right? And look at books online, right?

Then get rid of payroll. List people who are 'honorary' or 'visiting' or otherwise not on payroll. Then pages and pages of administrators etc etc.

Just gutted everything.

Then they take their money and go off overseas.

That's what our leaders do.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k

Posted by Phillipa on March 20, 2021, at 18:12:32

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on March 20, 2021, at 17:39:37

I don't feel that is fact about the fetus being a shall be say foreign object in a female's uterus. It's a combination of the Father's DNA and the Mother's DNA but might be more of one or the other. Many females have autoimmune illnesses before pregnancy so that kind of autoimmune illness came before the pregnancy. A good example of just one of them would be Lupus, or thyroid disease. Females are more closely monitored during their pregnancies if do have an autoimmune illness. I believe that the hormones of the females are a huge contributor to autoimmune illness since females are much more likely to have one than a male. Back to covid and blood clots you piqued my interest in what is in those blood clots that form during the illness. I do know that yesterday on our TV news they showed pictures of recipients of the mRNA's upper arms. They have some do large itchy painful rashes now give the name "Covid Arm" Doctors have biopsied them and found nothing abnormal. Rash disappears in a few days but then mysteriously reappears about 8 days past then. A friend of mine on Facebook posted the picture of her arm. She just had dose #2 of Moderna which seems to be the one that causes the rash. I need to google Covid arm to see what is said. Seems that Pfizer is the best mRNA vaccine so far. Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 21, 2021, at 3:35:51

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on March 20, 2021, at 18:12:32

Does anybody know wether lets say an Astra-Zeneca vaccine precludes me from getting a different vaccine later on?

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22

Posted by Phillipa on March 21, 2021, at 9:23:36

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on March 21, 2021, at 3:35:51

What time frame are you speaking of? Isn't the EU giving just one dose of Astra Zeneca to Europeans? No mixing of different vaccines here in the US. If first dose is Pfizer here so is 2nd dose, Same with Moderna. If get the Johnson & Johnson as I did it's one shot only. If boosters come out I don't know how that will work? Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 21, 2021, at 11:42:01

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on March 21, 2021, at 3:35:51

Im talking about two doses of Astra-Zeneca and then a different vaccine after a few months. Like a full inoculation with AZ and then after weeks or months a full inoculation with something else.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22

Posted by Phillipa on March 21, 2021, at 18:21:19

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on March 21, 2021, at 11:42:01

Why would you want to do that. I surely doubt that you can double vaccinate against Covid. But at the moment that hasn't even been suggested? Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 22, 2021, at 0:56:15

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on March 21, 2021, at 18:21:19

The existing vaccines don't protect so well against the brazilian and south african variant and there may be more new variants in the future.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa

Posted by TriedEveryMedication on March 22, 2021, at 19:28:58

In reply to Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Phillipa on February 1, 2021, at 9:25:09

> Anyone received one of the available Covid vaccines. Please share experience both good and bad. And which vaccine did you receive? Or did you decide not to get one and if so why? And finally who has had Covid? Thanks Phillipa

Got the 1st dose of pfizer vaccine. Arm was a little sore the next day, that's all.

My vax site was incredibly efficient. In and out in 30 minutes and they probably did 1000 people while I was there.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? TriedEveryMedication

Posted by Phillipa on March 22, 2021, at 23:08:22

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa, posted by TriedEveryMedication on March 22, 2021, at 19:28:58

That's fantastic. If you get side effects please write them on here. Been almost two weeks now since the Johnson & Johnson vaccine no reaction. Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa

Posted by alexandra_k on March 23, 2021, at 2:30:17

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on March 20, 2021, at 18:12:32

> I don't feel that is fact about the fetus being a shall be say foreign object in a female's uterus. It's a combination of the Father's DNA and the Mother's DNA but might be more of one or the other.

Oh. I think it is a fact insofar as the foetus is some percentage of fathers DNA and not mothers DNA. If you were to take something from the father and implant it in the mother (a kidney, a heart, a lung, a face, an arm) then you would need to give the mother immunosuppressant medication to prevent her body from attacking the implant as foreign. There is a barrier between the mother and the foetus, usually, to prevent her rejecting it on the grounds that it is some percentage of immunologically alien...

But when she gives birth she becomes exposed to the foetus. Yeah, I'm remembering... (From books not IRL experience lolz)...

There are many different kinds of auto-immune disorders (also many different kinds of immune responses -- I think 5 from memory)... Mmm... Sometimes they are linked. Same mechanism. Other ones aren't linked.

Some women do have autoimmune disorders and they are okay with vaccinations. It depends... ANd we are still learning a lot about all this stuff...

I am not sure about hormones and autoimmune. I have been reading a lot about lifetime estrogen exposure and various cancers... But not hormones and autoimmune diseases in females... It might be to do with hormones -- but I had not heard that. I don't know why I got it into my head that it was something to do with child bearing / birthing, particularly. I might be going beyond (reaching) I might be wrong. I have a notion... Is all... I don't know where I formed that idea... Need to learn more...

> Back to covid and blood clots you piqued my interest in what is in those blood clots that form during the illness.

Yes. There are different kinds of antibody. IgG... IgM... IgM is for clumping? I think. Clumpy clumps of whatever it grabby grabs... I don't know how the body knows to make IgG and not IgM...

I read something today trying to explain about clumps. It didn't make sense. It prompted me. I don't make sense lolz. I'm thinking about it... How it could be inducing clumping...

Misfolded proteins... If the body starts cranking out antibodies... Maybe producing light chain and heavy chain the wrong radios then they tend to form clumps / misfold. A kind of prion disorder.

The clumps can lodge in the kidneys and the lungs. That was the first problem with Covid? What the people were actually dying of... Clots in the lungs and they found in the kidneys too... Clumps of what?? Antibody? I wondered... Misfolded antibody??

(NOt about the attaching to platelets and then resulting in platelet insufficiency -- that would result in bleeding out... NOt clumping... But yeah so much to remember... The freaking names of all the things. ALL THE THINGS. lolz).

I did not know about rashes... Hmm. I don't know about that.

It is hard to say, Phillipa. Because you do get random events. And we are talking lots of doses of all the different vaccines that have been given, now. It's like how you do hear about people being struck by lightening or whatever occasionally... But these serious side effects (all non lethal so far??) Are very very rare when you consider how many people have been vaccinated thus far.

And things could start looking different with respect to 'which is best' down the track. We just don't know...

They have all gone through an approvals process etc. They are all likely to be okay.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on April 30, 2021, at 11:41:14

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa, posted by alexandra_k on March 23, 2021, at 2:30:17

I have to say that the first BionTech/Pfizer shot yesterday hit me pretty hard. I didn't get a placebo, that is for sure. It is not pleasant, but I guess it will pass.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22

Posted by Phillipa on April 30, 2021, at 12:00:39

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on April 30, 2021, at 11:41:14

No placebos being used now trials are over. People are the animal studies. You got the real shot. And what is your age as the younger you are the stronger the side effects?

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on April 30, 2021, at 12:10:00

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on April 30, 2021, at 12:00:39

in the 30s

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22

Posted by Phillipa on April 30, 2021, at 18:01:27

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on April 30, 2021, at 12:10:00

Lamadge so young. What side effects do you have? Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22

Posted by Noa on April 30, 2021, at 22:08:57

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on April 30, 2021, at 11:41:14

Hang in thereI hope you feel better!

> I have to say that the first BionTech/Pfizer shot yesterday hit me pretty hard. I didn't get a placebo, that is for sure. It is not pleasant, but I guess it will pass.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on April 30, 2021, at 23:53:51

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on April 30, 2021, at 18:01:27

Soreness where the shot was administered, headache, somnolence. General feeling of malaise. A bit like after a night out drinking.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 1, 2021, at 1:15:06

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on April 30, 2021, at 23:53:51

I would describe it as 65% of the malaise you would have with a cold. Minus respiratory symptoms. Today is better though. Colds really mess up my mood.


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