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Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by alexandra_k on February 25, 2021, at 15:03:01

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa, posted by undopaminergic on February 25, 2021, at 12:14:47

The vaccines get the immune system exposed to a bit of the virus protein on the surface so the immune system finds a bit of itself (some B cells) that can make antibodies that bind to it.

Then the body makes clones of those B cells... And they hang around. The second dose of the vaccine makes sure the 'memory response' (the number of B cells capable of making antibodies) remains high.

Then, if you are exposed to the actual virus your body should be able to identify that and crank out antibodies fast enough to keep the viral load down so that you don't get sick from the virus and (hopefully) so that you don't pass the virus on to other people as well.

The B cells live in your lymph nodes. And... Spleen, I think. so you might get a swelling there are the B cells that live there undergo the colony expansion of making lots of memory B cells that can make antibodies against the virus.

I think that's the rough idea...

So it depends where the B cells in your body capable of reacting ot the virus live. I don't know if all of the bodies immune response capability is in every single lymph node... Or if it's that some people happen to keep the cells capable of responding to the Corona Virus surface protein that they are using for the vaccine response... IN their auxillary lymph nodes, in particular.

The side effects are ones associated iwth your bodies immune response as your body detects an antigen and tries to encourage you to take it easy for a couple days to help the body prioritise getting proteins and nutrients to the immune cells (it uses a lot of protein to make antibodies).

If I was in the US and felt I had access to competent healthcare (as it sounds like you do) then I would get a vacine yes.

In this part of the world we have to worry about so much in the way of human error and so on... They can't process applications to medical school... They undermine the public confidence.

My dissent is political becuase our nation insists on refusing to develop medical capability by refusing to process applications, refusing to train the workforce, refusing to pay the workforce and so on and so on and so on...

I wish I spoke other languages. Particularly Chinese.

I wouldn't want to be responsible for what anybody else does, either. Not if they were capable of making their own decision. That's too much of a weight to bear if you get it wrong. For sure.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k

Posted by Phillipa on February 25, 2021, at 18:55:47

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on February 25, 2021, at 15:03:01

Alex, you are the only person that has explained exactly how the vaccines work. I had no idea about the B cells and lymph nodes and spleen. Please post any other scientific knowledge you have on the vaccines. So if you were living in the US you would get the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines then and feel safe? Thanks Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by alexandra_k on February 26, 2021, at 4:48:15

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on February 25, 2021, at 18:55:47

it's not exactly all the knowledge... it is only little bits an pieces of it, as i understand it, as i study immunology at undergraduate level, and as I try and understand the content studying for the Step Examinations (Step one towards a 3 step examination).

There is still a lot that I should know -- but I don't.

Mammograms detect masses in tbe breast / auxillary region. So a mammogram might detect a mass that is benign (nothing to worry about) during an acute phase of response to vaccine. That is to say, your lymph nodes in your axillary (armpit) region might be temporarily swollen as your b cells are reproducing (colony expansion) to develop your bodies capability to crank out antibodies against Coronavirus if you ever encounter exposure to it in the wild.

The mammogams cannot tell the difference between a swelling due to cancer and a swelling due to normal antibody response to a virus.

As Pathoma says (a guy from University of Chicago who has a Pathology studybook towards step one exam): Only a pathologist can diagnose cancer.

That means that you need to get a sample (a bunch of cells by way of a biopsy or very invasive swab that scrapes off a bunch of cells) to the laboratory for a trained pathologist to take a look under a microscope and say whether the cells are cancerous or not.

They can do genetic testing of the cells, too, to see if they have genetic abnormalities indicative of cancer.

But the first step is a biopsy sample of the tissue so the pathologist can take a look. And to decide whether to send a sample of tissue to the lab... They need to see a swelling or a hard node on mammogram. But the trouble is that temporary or transient normal immune response to vaccination looks like swelling to to be further investigated...

So... If you mammogram is clear...

Then you get a vaccine...

Wait for your immune response to settle before getting another mammogram.

I think that might be the take-home.

With repect to which vaccination... I don't know enough to believe I can make an informed decison about the mrna vaccines vs waiting for a non-mrna vaccine. In other words... I think the way they are rolling it out is respectable / reputable . You have the power to decide... But probably nobody knows enough to know which is the better idea. Which is precisely what makes it worth them trying to find out. It's not subjecting the underclass to the intervention (or lack of) known in advance to be inferior. It's genuinely an open question.

Some of the wealthy elite have been trying to use their privaledge to jump the cue.

And others of the wealthy elite have been trying to use their privaledge to refuse vaccines when offered (as is their human right).

Sometimes...

Reasonable people can disagree.

And sometimes it's not clear what the best course of action is (whether one is looking out for onself primarily or looking to the group primarily).

I think I would take the vaccine if I had quality of life in the USA.

I think... I won't take the vaccine here.

But I fear that my rights will be taken away by teh government. I'll lose my right to travel etc. So eventually I will be forced to comply.

ANd I'll be forced to spend my days documenting the war crimes and atrocities of the NZ government. Because they refuse to allow me (and others like me) a way of life.

And they refuse to process applications and completinos etc to medicine to ensure their people never have medical treatment or informed consents.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k

Posted by Phillipa on February 26, 2021, at 9:24:53

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on February 26, 2021, at 4:48:15

Alex weren't you attending Chapel Hill at one time for medical school? Why did you not continue here then and become a citizen or stay on VISA. You are absolutely brilliant. So the take home is that the vaccines are safe and worth getting? Did you hear that there is now a New York variant? And that Moderna is already working on a third shot for variants a booster shot?

If you are now studying immunology are there more facts that you either hypothesize or know of any long term damage that can occur from the vaccines. Like why did that ob-gyn in Miami develop the thrombocytopenia and die 16 days post vaccine which was Pfizer?. You give me so so much to think about. Thanks and please more Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on February 26, 2021, at 15:11:58

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on February 26, 2021, at 9:24:53

Dad seems to be fine. He is feeling some immune activation, but not unlike other vaccines he has had.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22

Posted by Phillipa on February 26, 2021, at 20:40:26

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 26, 2021, at 15:11:58

That's great what is the immune stuff he's feeling? Sore arm other? Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on February 27, 2021, at 2:13:57

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on February 26, 2021, at 20:40:26

He briefly woke up at night feeling a little hot.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on February 27, 2021, at 2:14:39

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 27, 2021, at 2:13:57

during the night

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22

Posted by Phillipa on February 27, 2021, at 9:02:43

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 27, 2021, at 2:14:39

So slight fever did he then take a fever reducing over the counter pill? Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on February 27, 2021, at 9:08:17

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on February 27, 2021, at 9:02:43

I dont think it was necessary

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa

Posted by alexandra_k on February 28, 2021, at 7:30:25

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on February 26, 2021, at 9:24:53

That's very sweet of you, Phillipa, but no -- I was a visiting graduate student for a year in philosophy. I did a little cognitive neuropsychology but I never studied medicine or neurosicence or biology or immunology in the US. I would have stayed on if I could have studied those things... To the best of my knowledge I couldn't, though. Maybe I could have stayed on if I wanted to continue on with Philosophy. But I didn't want to continue on with Philosophy.

And apparently (as always) theres so many many many many more people who want to do that than there are places for them.

(Which is why we continually force people to only do things they don't want to do).

Or something.

They are probably safe, yes.

> Did you hear that there is now a New York variant? And that Moderna is already working on a third shot for variants a booster shot?

Well, yes. Ideally for them they want people to have a new shot on a regular basis...


> If you are now studying immunology are there more facts that you either hypothesize or know of any long term damage that can occur from the vaccines. Like why did that ob-gyn in Miami develop the thrombocytopenia and die 16 days post vaccine which was Pfizer?.

I don't know. I didn't hear about that.

Sometimes random events do happen. Could be unrelated. I don't know.

I don't know a great deal...

I think this is modern warfare. The form it takes. What you have to do to get countries (like New Zealand) to comply with various things. To comply with getting with the programme when it comes to things like climate change and pollution and the like.

Vaccines... Are leverage.

Border closures.

Trade-sanctions.

If you want tourists to be allowed to come into your country then you need to develop a health system sufficient to not murder or rape them in the couple weeks before we can expatriate them / send our medics out.

Kinds of things...

I think the losing teams are those without access to vaccines.

Because the are potentially lethal viruses that are quite transmissable in communities...

And it is likely the strains will mutate... ANd there will need to be a constant succession of...

Security updates?

Shall we call them that?

Against the virus.

A sort of ongoing compliance...


 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k

Posted by Phillipa on February 28, 2021, at 9:21:19

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa, posted by alexandra_k on February 28, 2021, at 7:30:25

Alex yes there was a board here back then for philosophy wasn't there? Now just the medication board. You are correct they will continue to develop another vaccine yearly for this and all the other viruses to follow. I googled the 1918 pandemic which was so deadly and it stated that all the flues since them came from this. But most were not deadly just weaker ones. There was the Swine Flu, and then a few others and now this one. So is the virus still gone from New Zealand and are you in school or working or other? Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa

Posted by alexandra_k on February 28, 2021, at 11:50:21

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on February 28, 2021, at 9:21:19

I used to post on the psychology board mostly. For years and years (and years and years and years) I tried to get psychotherapy, in New Zealand. More of the psychoanalytic / dynamic variety. But New Zealand didn't offer that. Still doesn't. The health system in New Zealand is a major mechanism by which the government abuses it's people. Other such systems include the health system and institutionalised housing. We have about the highest rate of involuntary detention in the world, apparently. The people kept in institutions pre-trial. Without a trial. Simply because some ''doctor'' thinks they can get away with it.

> You are correct they will continue to develop another vaccine yearly for this and all the other viruses to follow.

Yearly... Or twice yearly. Something like that. Every winter? Every winter for whom?

New Zealand can't (non country can) refuse to allow citizens to return.

New Zealand chooses to proritise entry to people who pay money / are seen to be powerful (e.g., family members of politicians from South America or entertainers like 'The Wiggles')... But they also do need to let a certain number of New Zealand Citizens back through the borders.

Because their visas expire etc overseas. And so on.

New Zealand as a nation has about the highest rate of it's own people living overseas, too, I believe. I think 1/4 of our people (more than 1 million of a population of 4 million) live overseas.

Fled overseas. They will tell you. They were bullied away. Often. We call it 'the brain drain'. You will leave if you know what is good for you. That kind of an 'offer you can't refuse' by the rest of the world. That kind of a voluntary leaving.

But the people come back, now.

To hold the government to account, I suppose. Because this was detention camp island forced concentration camp facility

BEFORE

Covid.

I think the virus likely came from New Zealand.

From the fact that it couldn't really have been working to exterminate all it's people any faster...

Just an awful marketing / propaganda campaign.

________

Since my return to New Zealand (to train to be a medical doctor since we have a shortage, apparently, and no jobs for philosophers so no point finishing off a philosophy PhD)...

They keep me on 'disability' for my 'autism' for my 'seclusion' with my lack of peers... Living on welfare... Living in an institutionalised environment because I don't get enough money to live any other way.

They refuse to process my applications for school.

They prioritise 'training' 18 and 19 year olds who pay bribes and agree to 'work' for money and titles while never setting foot in the hospital and ingnoring the atrocities committed by people neither registered nor trained nor qualified to practice...

Every week I read in the news about yet another rape or murder or non-consenting smear or sexual violation or wrongful death committed by impunity by those in the medical system.

The traffic violations.... Blind eyes are turned.

We have the lowest rate of perceived corruption in the world!!!

That's how corrupt we are.

There is no right of review. The people employed to do the policing are most corrupt of all...

Cry cry cry for vaccine handouts...

Cry cry cry for trained staff...

Cry cry cry for bribes to process the applciations. For visa. For entry to the country. For entry to education.

We are.... As corrupt as India???

A lot of people from India immigrated here and had this vision of things being just like back home -- but with the higher up the new caste system.

That's the ideology.

People as gods on earth. Autocratic tyrants.

Everybody complies with the will of Jacinda Ardern because the marketing says she's lovely with her con-munications Degree...

Until she's seen as the face of the angry mob.

That feels justified in...

I don't know...

Harvesting the organs of one in the name of saving countless other lives...

Morality 101 never happened here.

But then neither did any of the science.

Any of the things at all.

Things needed to change. Not just here. The world over.

Presently I'm involved in legal action (civil) of judicial review against the Universities in New Zealand. They are public so they are supposed to process the applications according to objective criterion for fairness and the like. No private school perogative of choosing the children of the wealthy elite... Also a constant succession of government hand-outs / bail-outs that remove consequences for them of...

Basically choosing to ONLY become a system investing in the children of wealthy elites...

They intentionally chose the youngest 'morally plastic' kids they could find to socialise into psychopathy. For their institutions of government abuse of the people.

That's all I see since my return.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by alexandra_k on February 28, 2021, at 12:06:11

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa, posted by alexandra_k on February 28, 2021, at 11:50:21

Have you heard of the 'Stanford Prison Experiment'?

It was a psychology experiment done in the 60s or 70s or whatever. It was set up as a role-play.

People / students were arbitrarily chosen to be 'detained' (prisoners) or 'detainers' (guards) in a camp / live in situation.

They were arbitrarily assigned to one of those group. At random. They knew the selection was arbitrary and random.

The guards went on to treat the 'prisoners' horribly. Because they had the power to. They seemed to come to believe that they were justified in treating them badly. Subjecting them to arbitrary orders. Forcing them to comply... Just because they could. Because they had the power to.

That's what staying in a detention facility is like.
That's what going to school is like.
That's what seeking health care is like.

You have these monkeys in their monkey suits. To indicate they have all the money. They have been picked arbitrarily to be one of those throwing their weight and throwing their orders around...

And then you have the chosen victims. Chosen because the monkeys in their monkey suits picked them out... Decided it was interested in compliance from them, particularly...

______________

Recently we hear of a couple people in the prisons... Sent to prison for bashing in the head of (in one case) a convicted pedophile. In other case someone she alleges was a pedophile (but I don't think they bothered to establish that) before they locked them up and threw away the key.

And now the prison guards of New Zealand (not our problem because our government contracted out which they believe removes them from responsibility -- control of the prisons to a UK firm)... And now the prison guards of New Zealand pepper spray bomb their cells and so on....

The conditions they are kept in where the Ombudsman writes over and over that he doesn't see anything wrong with the inhumane and unlawful conditions they're kept in.

Because the Ombudsman is carefully picked and paid to say that.

You should see the criterion they use (unofficial) to select doctors and teachers and...

I don't think NZ could be working to exterminate it's people any faster / harder.

______________

Covid isn't here, yet.

______________

I am waiting on jugment from the courts.

The problem is:

What do you have to do to get into Law School in New Zealand?
To get signed off on your law degree?

To make it up the system as judge...

Do I really think there will be justice for me?

I think our leaders are quite keen to lead us swiftly into extinction is what I think.

Can't really make much sense of things, otherwise.

______________

We just trained our nurses.

They are not using the low deadspace tips they are supposed to be using to extract the 6th dose of vaccine.

They are turning the vials upside down and they reckon they can coax it out of the vial without a low deadspace tip.

Ingenuity they are calling it.

I think that's what they were calling it in Samoa when they decided to reconstitute the MMR vaccine with expired anasthetic solution instead of saline.

______________

These are the people who should be worried about vaccines, Phillipa.

People with access to developed systems with checks and balances and so on...

New Zealand has made it clear to me it'd prefer me dead.

So why would I let them near me with a barge pole?

And what the hell did htey expect (they didn't care they thought they would always be in a position to force compliance).

We just nasal swabbed a school (minors under 18) AFTER saliva testing became available. For no other reason than the MOST INVASIVE OPTION.

it's all just a thinly veiled co-ercion / compliance / force.

That's New Zealand.

I don't see people.

I don't see people here.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by alexandra_k on February 28, 2021, at 12:11:42

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on February 28, 2021, at 12:06:11

by which i mean our leaders don't see people.

jacinda ardern is a con-munications device.

branding. marketing. advertising.

new zealand only ever has one candidate who is going to win the election before the election.

we didn't even bother to count the votes.

we didn't even bother to count the votes of JOhn Key previous to jacinda arden, either.

and near the end of his rein he was quite mad with power pulling the hair of girls in pig tails who worked in cafes...

and jacinda arden has been pronounced to have declared a lockdown unlawfully.

and what are the consequences of that?

there are none.

so she goes on to order lockdowns.

and people comply.

voluntarily.

or because she commands an angry mob?

take one for the team of 5 million.

we love you jacinda!!!

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by alexandra_k on March 1, 2021, at 23:49:38

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on February 28, 2021, at 12:11:42

https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download

Actually, it seems that I was wrong.

NZ vaccinators do seem to have discovered that they don't need to use a low dead-space needle if they are careful with their technique.

I feel happy. Pleasantly surprised. Yay. Yay us. Yay.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by alexandra_k on March 2, 2021, at 1:33:16

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on March 1, 2021, at 23:49:38

Or not. They just give people whatever they can get out of that last dose believing (hoping, not caring) that some dose is better than no dose so however much is left...

I suppose that is more likely.

There's a hoarding mentality...

In developing nations particularly. Because of recency of deprivation. People won't throw food away etc. People won't discard things past their use-by. Even when the instructions said there were only 5 doses (when supplied without low deadspace syringes)... People saw there was some of a dose left...

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 7, 2021, at 2:50:21

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on March 2, 2021, at 1:33:16

Does anybody know what they are saying about wether or not the vaccines induce sterile immunity? IE: If they protect not just yourself but also others?

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22

Posted by Phillipa on March 7, 2021, at 9:27:25

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on March 7, 2021, at 2:50:21

Do you mean can you still pass the virus to others when not getting it yourself? I think you still can pass the virus. The vaccines purpose is to prevent you from getting severely sick, preventing hospitalization, and death. One can still get mild illness is what is being said at the moment. They are also working on a third shot as a booster. Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 7, 2021, at 10:01:42

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on March 7, 2021, at 9:27:25

Yeah, that is what I meant, thanks. Too bad it doesnt work that way!

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by alexandra_k on March 8, 2021, at 21:17:15

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on March 7, 2021, at 10:01:42

They say one thing and then another thing about whether a person being vaccinated prevents them acting as a vector (transmissing the virus without themselves getting sick).

Initially, the thought seemed to be that vaccination would prevent someone being a vector. They thought that their own personal viral load would not get high enough to be transmitted to others.

Now, they aren't so sure.

They were a bit worried about the ones that prevent serious sickness -- but weren't so affective against mild sickness. They worried that people with only mild sickness might be vectors, still, with their sneezing and nasal secretions or whatever.

The politicians and the like don't seem to know what's up. It matters a lot whether vaccination prevents a person from being sick or whether vaccination prevents a person from being a vector when it comes to who you should vaccinate when and most importantly *why*.

For example, if you want the front line workers to not act as vectors (transmitting the virus between people) and there isn't evidence that the vaccination prevents them being vectors... It doesn't make much sense to start with vacccinating them.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by alexandra_k on March 8, 2021, at 21:19:28

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on March 8, 2021, at 21:17:15

And if vaccinations prevent an individual from getting sick (most likely) but do not prevent a person from transmitting the virus from one sick person to infect another without themselves getting sick...

Then it makes no sense why our minister of covid response has started talking about


...

sanctions.

Shall we say. To be imposed on people who are not going to give consent for vaccine.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 9, 2021, at 6:06:59

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on March 8, 2021, at 21:19:28

Would you guys get the Astra-Zeneca vaccine if it was the only one offered at the time?

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by undopaminergic on March 9, 2021, at 8:16:01

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on March 9, 2021, at 6:06:59

> Would you guys get the Astra-Zeneca vaccine if it was the only one offered at the time?
>

I did. People on this thread said it was a good one.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 9, 2021, at 12:36:04

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by undopaminergic on March 9, 2021, at 8:16:01

Have you gotten it or would you if you could?


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