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Lou's reply-common knowlege David1973

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 19, 2016, at 10:12:18

In reply to Re: Lou's urgent warning-unfair to humanity, posted by David1973 on August 19, 2016, at 9:46:48

> You have evidence otherwise ? Have you had issues with any of the combo's posted on here ? I`m not sure you really understand these things well enough and posts like yours on this thread, well, I feel will be completely ignored by most people. If you have sound evidence, post it please.

Dave,
Do you want to trust a quack? Do you want to trust Scott? Do you want to trust Mr. Hsiung? Do you want to trust the Devil?
Here is sound evidence that what I am saying is true. It is common knowledge.
Lou
https://www.drugs.com/interactions-check.php?drug_list=168-0,2228-0,1839-1190

 

Re: Lou's reply-common knowlege

Posted by David1973 on August 19, 2016, at 12:09:58

In reply to Lou's reply-common knowlege David1973, posted by Lou Pilder on August 19, 2016, at 10:12:18

sorry to sound nasty but you are full of sh*t. Thats not evidence, thats just some website.

Why are these Mums and Dads letting these poor innocent kids f*ck around on an internet forum?

I don't trust doctors, I dont know Mr Hsiung, and the devil isnt' real.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2365668

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7037873

Plenty more where they came from.

Anyway,F*ck Off.

 

Re: Nardil, Trazodone and Amitriptyline

Posted by Tabitha on August 19, 2016, at 12:41:47

In reply to Re: Nardil, Trazodone and Amitriptyline, posted by David1973 on August 19, 2016, at 9:51:57

Hi David,
I don't have experience with you combo, but I wondered if you know about duloxetine (cymbalta) for pain. It's approved for fibromyalgia now. I have a lot of joint pain and it works quite well for it. It also decreases appetite for me, so no weight gain. The downside is it messes up my sleep, but YMMV.

Also, welcome to the board and I'm sorry you've encountered the resident anti-psychiatry/religious obsessive poster already. There's no moderation on the board at this point, so there's not much we can do about it.

 

Re: Nardil, Trazodone and Amitriptyline

Posted by David1973 on August 19, 2016, at 12:59:57

In reply to Re: Nardil, Trazodone and Amitriptyline, posted by Tabitha on August 19, 2016, at 12:41:47

Thank You Tabitha, no worries about the Lou geezer. It took me 1 or 2 posts to understand what he was on about but it doesn't take long to work out those poor souls like Lou, bless him !!

Duloxetine,yes, I know about it. Funnily enough, I worked on one of the sites in England where they were researching it back in the 90's on work experience. The office next to me was a huge building chock full of Prozac ready to be distributed :-).

Anyway, was offered it a few months back actually by a pain consultant, and my psychiatrist reluctantly said I could try it, but I just I didn't want another drug that caused libido issue's. Also felt it was more of a risk
alongside Nardil.

Think I`m realising I may have to go back on Lyrica as it worked well before. Otherwise its Dihydrocodeine every day. Just have to put up with side effects of Lyrica.

Thanks, Dave.

 

Re: Nardil, Trazodone and Amitriptyline

Posted by Tabitha on August 19, 2016, at 13:47:31

In reply to Re: Nardil, Trazodone and Amitriptyline, posted by David1973 on August 19, 2016, at 12:59:57

> I didn't want another drug that caused libido issue's.

Yes, I found it to be one of the worst for that.


> Think I`m realising I may have to go back on Lyrica as it worked well before. Otherwise its Dihydrocodeine every day. Just have to put up with side effects of Lyrica.

Sounds like the best choice. Personally I can't handle the bowel issues from opiates.

 

Lou's response-I will speak for them Tabitha

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 19, 2016, at 16:14:00

In reply to Re: Nardil, Trazodone and Amitriptyline, posted by Tabitha on August 19, 2016, at 12:41:47

> Hi David,
> I don't have experience with you combo, but I wondered if you know about duloxetine (cymbalta) for pain. It's approved for fibromyalgia now. I have a lot of joint pain and it works quite well for it. It also decreases appetite for me, so no weight gain. The downside is it messes up my sleep, but YMMV.
>
> Also, welcome to the board and I'm sorry you've encountered the resident anti-psychiatry/religious obsessive poster already. There's no moderation on the board at this point, so there's not much we can do about it.

Friends,
Be not deceived. The poster writes that there is no moderation by the psychiatrist here. But could he not be intending to turn his back on the post here for reasons of his own?
You see, Mr. Hsiung has in my understanding a duty and responsibility to save lives here and not let drugs to be promoted without the serious consequences that could befall readers here from that not being disclosed. For readers could be seriously misled to think that these drugs are safer than they really are and receive addiction , life-ruining conditions and death from these drugs.
Now Mr. Hsiung has training to know the adverse consequences associated with these drugs that are not posted with the promotion of these drugs here. This brings up that readers could formulate his intent on their own. Since a doctor has a pledge to do no harm, an ancient oath, then allowing what could kill someone here is out of character for the profession. And those that are killed by reading here can not speak here. I will speak for them.
Lou

 

Re: Nardil, Trazodone and Amitriptyline

Posted by SLS on August 19, 2016, at 16:16:48

In reply to Re: Nardil, Trazodone and Amitriptyline, posted by David1973 on August 19, 2016, at 12:59:57

You absolutely cannot mix duloxetine with Nardil. Serotonin syndrome will surely result with this combination.


- Scott

 

Re: Nardil, Trazodone and Amitriptyline

Posted by David1973 on August 20, 2016, at 4:14:25

In reply to Re: Nardil, Trazodone and Amitriptyline, posted by SLS on August 19, 2016, at 16:16:48

Hi Scott, thats one of the reasons I turned it down but main reason were the side effects and an increase in the possibility of hypertension. I read somewhere that serotonin syndrome is extremely rare with both the main MAOI's, with the acute doses of seroternergic being the culprits. Certainly not willing to see if thats true.

Thanks, Dave.

 

Lou's response- SLS

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 21, 2016, at 6:44:32

In reply to Re: Nardil, Trazodone and Amitriptyline, posted by SLS on August 19, 2016, at 16:16:48

> You absolutely cannot mix duloxetine with Nardil. Serotonin syndrome will surely result with this combination.
>
>
> - Scott

Scott,
You wrote the above.
This could save lives here, thanks. Now I want for you to go back to the years of your posts advocating the taking of combinations of drugs that could addict, cause life-ruining conditions or death.
Lou

 

Re: Lou's response-

Posted by David1973 on August 21, 2016, at 12:23:16

In reply to Lou's response- SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on August 21, 2016, at 6:44:32

Could you try this combination for me Lou? Check its ok ?

 

Lou's response-the shepherd of death

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 21, 2016, at 19:15:23

In reply to Re: Lou's response-, posted by David1973 on August 21, 2016, at 12:23:16

> Could you try this combination for me Lou? Check its ok ?
Dave,
I have already checked the combination and it could kill you. How long are you going to be led like a lost sheep shepherded by the Shepherd of Death? Would not you really like to be shepherded to life? Who is your shepherd, Scott?, Mr. Hsiung? the devil?
People that do not believe in the devil still can be shepherded by the devil. People can be led astray by doctors and psychiatrists and television commercials. Dave, thousands of people are killed each month by these drugs. What sane person would give these drugs to a human being?
Come, let us reason together. If you could go back to where you started before you took the drugs, would you do it?
Lou

 

Re: Nardil, Trazodone and Amitriptyline

Posted by Robert_Burton_1621 on August 22, 2016, at 5:08:12

In reply to Re: Nardil, Trazodone and Amitriptyline, posted by David1973 on August 20, 2016, at 4:14:25

> Hi Scott, thats one of the reasons I turned it down but main reason were the side effects and an increase in the possibility of hypertension. I read somewhere that serotonin syndrome is extremely rare with both the main MAOI's, with the acute doses of seroternergic being the culprits. Certainly not willing to see if thats true.
>
> Thanks, Dave.

Hello Dave. I'd like to echo Scott's opinion about duloxetine co-administration with either Nardil or Parnate; indeed, you ought not go near an agent with substantial serotonergic potency for at least 10 days after stopping an MAOI. Such agents include all of the SSRIs, the new "SNRIs" venlafaxine and duloxetine, and the tricyclics imipramine and clomipramine. I'm not sure about the veracity of the proposition that serotonin syndrome is extremely rare with MAOIs. Does this proposition only apply to overdosing on MAOIs? Or does it apply to the co-administration of an MAOI with a serotonergic agent with a different mode of action? And if the later, is the proposition absolute or relative; i.e., in comparision to what other combination carrying the potential risk of serotonin toxicity is the MAOI + sert combination purportedly "extremely rare"?

The *rate* of serotonin toxicity induced by the combination of an MAOI with a sert drug may be, in relative terms, low owing to the lower rate of MAOI prescibing. But the absolute risk of serotonin syndrome occuring as a result of MAOI + sert combination is substantial.

Remember, though, that the clinical expression of serotonin toxicity falls on a spectrum of symptoms, is dose and timing dependent, and in minor cases may simply require close monitoring. But the combining (e.g.) clomipramine or duloxetine with an MAOI is absolutely contra-indicated.

There is excellent information at Dr Gillman's site on serotonin toxicity: http://www.psychotropical.com/serotonin-toxicity

Amitriptyline is not significantly serotonergic, so should be safe to combine with an MAOI, with close monitoring. The active metabolite of amitriptyline - viz., nortriptyline - is an NRI and thus, from what I have read, safe to co-administer with an MAOI. The addition of NORT can also attenuate any pressor response from excessive tyramine consumption.

Sorry to hear of your continuing pain syndrome. If the pain is neuropathic, have you considered gabapentin?

 

Re: Nardil, Trazodone and Amitriptyline

Posted by David1973 on August 22, 2016, at 10:02:40

In reply to Re: Nardil, Trazodone and Amitriptyline, posted by Robert_Burton_1621 on August 22, 2016, at 5:08:12

Thanks Robert, maybe I should scrub that proposition altogether, I did read but I`ll let the experts offer advice like that !! I certainly agree with Scott and yourself, and like I said, it was one of the reasons why I didn't want to try it.

As for gabapentin, isn't that similar to pregab ? I was on 600mg Lyrica for a good while for anxiety but it did a great job for the pain as well. I just wanted some kind of sex life !! Does gabapentin have similar libido killing properties ?

I'm seriously thinking about dropping everything except for Nardil. Painkillers, supplements, the lot and then starting again to see what works. Fed up of taking pills now.

Thanks, Dave.

 

Re: Lou's response-the shepherd of death

Posted by Robert_Burton_1621 on August 22, 2016, at 10:37:10

In reply to Lou's response-the shepherd of death, posted by Lou Pilder on August 21, 2016, at 19:15:23

> > Could you try this combination for me Lou? Check its ok ?
> Dave,
> I have already checked the combination and it could kill you. How long are you going to be led like a lost sheep shepherded by the Shepherd of Death? Would not you really like to be shepherded to life? Who is your shepherd, Scott?, Mr. Hsiung? the devil?
> People that do not believe in the devil still can be shepherded by the devil. People can be led astray by doctors and psychiatrists and television commercials. Dave, thousands of people are killed each month by these drugs. What sane person would give these drugs to a human being?
> Come, let us reason together. If you could go back to where you started before you took the drugs, would you do it?
> Lou
>

Dave. Do not pay an iota of interest to Lou's posts.

 

Re: Lou's response-the shepherd of death

Posted by David1973 on August 22, 2016, at 10:42:32

In reply to Re: Lou's response-the shepherd of death, posted by Robert_Burton_1621 on August 22, 2016, at 10:37:10

:-) worked him out pretty quickly Robert. Just wanted him to try the extremely poisonous duloxetine - Nardil combo for me :-). I'll ignore him now.

 

Lou's response-the promotion of hate David1973

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 22, 2016, at 17:16:44

In reply to Re: Lou's response-the shepherd of death, posted by David1973 on August 22, 2016, at 10:42:32

> :-) worked him out pretty quickly Robert. Just wanted him to try the extremely poisonous duloxetine - Nardil combo for me :-). I'll ignore him now.

Friends,
Be not deceived. There will be scoffers and those that deny the realities of the drugs promoted here that could addict and give life ruining conditions and death.
The tragedy here is that the psychiatrist chairing this site allows the promotion of these drugs to be seen as safer than they really are that could lead readers to their deaths. And for him to allow sarcasm toward me against his own rules, could lead readers to think that he is wanting to promote defamation against me and stigmatize me as a member unworthy of the equal protection of his rules. This could lead vulnerable readers to think that he is promoting hate.
Lou

 

Lou's response-all against his own rules Robert_Burton_1621

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 22, 2016, at 21:01:45

In reply to Re: Lou's response-the shepherd of death, posted by Robert_Burton_1621 on August 22, 2016, at 10:37:10

> > > Could you try this combination for me Lou? Check its ok ?
> > Dave,
> > I have already checked the combination and it could kill you. How long are you going to be led like a lost sheep shepherded by the Shepherd of Death? Would not you really like to be shepherded to life? Who is your shepherd, Scott?, Mr. Hsiung? the devil?
> > People that do not believe in the devil still can be shepherded by the devil. People can be led astray by doctors and psychiatrists and television commercials. Dave, thousands of people are killed each month by these drugs. What sane person would give these drugs to a human being?
> > Come, let us reason together. If you could go back to where you started before you took the drugs, would you do it?
> > Lou
> >
>
> Dave. Do not pay an iota of interest to Lou's posts.

Friends,
Be not deceived. The horsemen of hate that Mr.Hsiung opens the gates to here bring with them the seeds of hate to flourish that can consume you so that healing can not occur. You see, the poster here advocates to shun me by not to pay an iota of interest in what I write here. This is nothing new, as the devil told Adam and Eve to not listen to God and eat of the tree that had the fruit of death. The devil deceived them, and this deceit is pandered today in the same tactic as it was in the beginning.
But be of good cheer, for I have come here to defeat the works of the devil by posting the Spirit of Truth that could lead you out of the darkness and into a marvelous light. This could happen if you resist the horsemen of hate here that are in the stable of Mr. Hsiung all being allowed to tell you to ignore me all against his own rules.
Lou

 

Re: Lou you're wrong - it's that simple. Lou Pilder

Posted by linkadge on August 24, 2016, at 10:38:31

In reply to Lou's response-all against his own rules Robert_Burton_1621, posted by Lou Pilder on August 22, 2016, at 21:01:45

Lou,

You're wrong. It's that simple.

Linkadge

 

Lou's reply- linkadge

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 24, 2016, at 15:47:40

In reply to Re: Lou you're wrong - it's that simple. Lou Pilder, posted by linkadge on August 24, 2016, at 10:38:31

> Lou,
>
> You're wrong. It's that simple.
>
> Linkadge

Link,
Wrong about what?
Lou

 

Re: Lou's reply-

Posted by David1973 on August 24, 2016, at 15:57:30

In reply to Lou's reply- linkadge, posted by Lou Pilder on August 24, 2016, at 15:47:40

God ? No, Devil ? No, Murderous Psychiatrists and their drugs ? No, Innocent children reading a forum called Psycho Babble ? No

Lou, a c*ck ? Yes.

Might be quicker to discus what you are right about.

 

Re: Lou's reply-

Posted by linkadge on August 24, 2016, at 18:22:17

In reply to Lou's reply- linkadge, posted by Lou Pilder on August 24, 2016, at 15:47:40

No need for specifics. You're just wrong. It's that simple.

Linkadge

 

Lou's reply-one more time again David1973

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 24, 2016, at 21:00:12

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-, posted by David1973 on August 24, 2016, at 15:57:30

> God ? No, Devil ? No, Murderous Psychiatrists and their drugs ? No, Innocent children reading a forum called Psycho Babble ? No
>
> Lou, a c*ck ? Yes.
>
> Might be quicker to discus what you are right about.
>
> Dave,
The children that read here are easily influenced for a psychiatrist is a powerful influence that can seriously mislead children to think that these drugs are safer than they really are. And by these children seeing what Mr. Hsiung considers in his thinking to be supportive, these children could be led to their deaths. And worse, they could see your post here that Mr. Hsiung allows to be seen as civil and supportive and in his thinking will be good for his community as a whole.
They could surmise that by you being allowed to post what you did about me here, that human beings can be called names here with Mr. Hsiung's acceptance as being supportive. A psychiatrist's influence here like that could lead children to their deaths in ways that I do not have the time to post here and you could look up what psychologists say about that. But then the drugs become acceptable also and they can kill them and lead them to a lifetime of misery if they don't.
Who has believed my report? For readers here can be like lost sheep led to their slaughter all the while that posters here are allowed to encourage children to take these drugs that kill thousands each month sponsored by psychiatry that gets it's kicks from the drug makers and the television and sites like this.
Be not deceived. For there will be a day when the blood of those killed from here will cry out and those that promote these drugs here will see those killed one more time again.
Lou

 

Re: Lou, you're wrong - it's that simple Lou Pilder

Posted by linkadge on August 25, 2016, at 15:22:56

In reply to Lou's reply-one more time again David1973, posted by Lou Pilder on August 24, 2016, at 21:00:12

Lou, you're wrong - it's that simple.

Linkadge

 

Re: Lou's reply-one more time again

Posted by David1973 on August 25, 2016, at 16:17:44

In reply to Lou's reply-one more time again David1973, posted by Lou Pilder on August 24, 2016, at 21:00:12

Are you one of those children Lou ?

 

Re: Lou's urgent warning-unfair to humanity

Posted by AlexCanada on September 1, 2016, at 8:11:01

In reply to Lou's urgent warning-unfair to humanity SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on August 19, 2016, at 9:17:27

testing


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