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Muscle tension / spasm? / knots from SSRI/SNRIs

Posted by displaced9 on March 4, 2012, at 7:12:37

Hi All,

I had posted on here about about constant muscle tension/spasms/pain whilst taking Zoloft. I read that this is a rare side effect of Zoloft and thus slowly discontinued the Zoloft (from a dosage of 300mg/daily) down to 0. I then switched over to Remeron (Mirtazapine) going to a dose of 90 mg/daily. At this dose, I had substantial weight gain in a short time, and my anxiety was kind of "through the roof" although the muscle tension had gone away. After trying to stick out the Remeron for 2+ months, we decided to decrease the dose (and discontinue) and cross-over to Effexor XR. I now take Effexor XR 225mg/daily plus Wellbutrin XL 300mg/daily, and unfortunately my muscle tension is back. While not as bad as before, it can get pretty uncomfortable. I can only attribute this to either the Effexor or not taking the Remeron, since the WB was added well after I started Effexor and the muscle tension came back.

I know that muscle tension / pain can be a sign of serotonin syndrome, but I have no other symptoms. In fact, I feel pretty fantastic with Effexor. My anxiety is under control and I am much more calm.

Is it / could it be a side effect of anything that affects Serotonin to cause this muscle tension?

I can take a Rx muscle relaxer but I don't want to rely on that. I bought Glycine and GABA last night as I read that can help, but wanted to get input on the muscle tension/pain.

It is mostly my upper back/neck/shoulders but I can also feel the tension in my arms, legs, etc.

 

Re: Muscle tension / spasm? / knots from SSRI/SNRIs

Posted by Laney on March 4, 2012, at 10:32:22

In reply to Muscle tension / spasm? / knots from SSRI/SNRIs, posted by displaced9 on March 4, 2012, at 7:12:37

I just had this going on recently. For me, I trace it back to stress bringing it on and then my fear and anxiety over it caused it to only increase.

I went to the chiro and he had me doing some stretches and some minor manipulations. Well I think after seeing him it only lasted about 3 weeks.

I was in a lot of pain and distress over this but now it's gone.

Yours sounds like it could be med related. I just wanted to share my story since it was pretty recent.

Best wishes,

Laney

 

Lou's response-wenwildhyehvrlurn displaced9

Posted by Lou Pilder on March 4, 2012, at 11:40:28

In reply to Muscle tension / spasm? / knots from SSRI/SNRIs, posted by displaced9 on March 4, 2012, at 7:12:37

> Hi All,
>
> I had posted on here about about constant muscle tension/spasms/pain whilst taking Zoloft. I read that this is a rare side effect of Zoloft and thus slowly discontinued the Zoloft (from a dosage of 300mg/daily) down to 0. I then switched over to Remeron (Mirtazapine) going to a dose of 90 mg/daily. At this dose, I had substantial weight gain in a short time, and my anxiety was kind of "through the roof" although the muscle tension had gone away. After trying to stick out the Remeron for 2+ months, we decided to decrease the dose (and discontinue) and cross-over to Effexor XR. I now take Effexor XR 225mg/daily plus Wellbutrin XL 300mg/daily, and unfortunately my muscle tension is back. While not as bad as before, it can get pretty uncomfortable. I can only attribute this to either the Effexor or not taking the Remeron, since the WB was added well after I started Effexor and the muscle tension came back.
>
> I know that muscle tension / pain can be a sign of serotonin syndrome, but I have no other symptoms. In fact, I feel pretty fantastic with Effexor. My anxiety is under control and I am much more calm.
>
> Is it / could it be a side effect of anything that affects Serotonin to cause this muscle tension?
>
> I can take a Rx muscle relaxer but I don't want to rely on that. I bought Glycine and GABA last night as I read that can help, but wanted to get input on the muscle tension/pain.
>
> It is mostly my upper back/neck/shoulders but I can also feel the tension in my arms, legs, etc.
>

displaced9,
You wrote the above.
Now I have looked into your situation described here and find that there is a risk for you being killed by the drugs that you are taking.
You see, the drug {Effexor} has a chemical similarity of an old drug, so you might want to understand if or if not Efexor is a new name for a knock-off of an old drug or not.
The drug itself can cause death. But the combination of that drug with Wellbutrin could raise the chances of death. This could be as what you describe here in relation to the {muscle tension} until it is known for sure what the muscle tension is from.
Now there is a lot that I would like members or readers here to know about Effexor that I am prohibited from posting here due to a prohibition made to me by Mr. Hsiung. Now I think that if that prohibition was not made to me here, that I could post educational material that IMHHO could save lives by the fact that more information could be used to make a more informed decision as to take this drug or not, for in that prohibited information there could be something that you or others could understand to have you make a better decision as to take the drug or not.
Here is a link to show the percent of people that take effexor that result in death. Notice also that Wellbutrin was in some of the combinations with effexor in those that died.
Now the percentage is given. But there is also the aspect of the drug(s) causing tardive dyskinesia. And then there are other aspects od life-ruining conditions as a result of the drugs which can be fatal.
Now I see from what you wrote here a potential for you to die or get a life-ruing condition. I base this on what you wrote, and that last year around 42,000 people died from psychotropic drugs, but that figure could be 100 times that much as some think that reported events are only a small part of the total events.
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor+xr/death

 

Re: Lou's response-wenwildhyehvrlurn Lou Pilder

Posted by Phillipa on March 4, 2012, at 11:58:35

In reply to Lou's response-wenwildhyehvrlurn displaced9, posted by Lou Pilder on March 4, 2012, at 11:40:28

Lou did you forget your Little Shoppe? For information on the evils of meds? Why not post the above there. Phillipa

 

Lou's response-

Posted by Lou Pilder on March 4, 2012, at 11:59:58

In reply to Lou's response-wenwildhyehvrlurn displaced9, posted by Lou Pilder on March 4, 2012, at 11:40:28

> > Hi All,
> >
> > I had posted on here about about constant muscle tension/spasms/pain whilst taking Zoloft. I read that this is a rare side effect of Zoloft and thus slowly discontinued the Zoloft (from a dosage of 300mg/daily) down to 0. I then switched over to Remeron (Mirtazapine) going to a dose of 90 mg/daily. At this dose, I had substantial weight gain in a short time, and my anxiety was kind of "through the roof" although the muscle tension had gone away. After trying to stick out the Remeron for 2+ months, we decided to decrease the dose (and discontinue) and cross-over to Effexor XR. I now take Effexor XR 225mg/daily plus Wellbutrin XL 300mg/daily, and unfortunately my muscle tension is back. While not as bad as before, it can get pretty uncomfortable. I can only attribute this to either the Effexor or not taking the Remeron, since the WB was added well after I started Effexor and the muscle tension came back.
> >
> > I know that muscle tension / pain can be a sign of serotonin syndrome, but I have no other symptoms. In fact, I feel pretty fantastic with Effexor. My anxiety is under control and I am much more calm.
> >
> > Is it / could it be a side effect of anything that affects Serotonin to cause this muscle tension?
> >
> > I can take a Rx muscle relaxer but I don't want to rely on that. I bought Glycine and GABA last night as I read that can help, but wanted to get input on the muscle tension/pain.
> >
> > It is mostly my upper back/neck/shoulders but I can also feel the tension in my arms, legs, etc.
> >
>
> displaced9,
> You wrote the above.
> Now I have looked into your situation described here and find that there is a risk for you being killed by the drugs that you are taking.
> You see, the drug {Effexor} has a chemical similarity of an old drug, so you might want to understand if or if not Efexor is a new name for a knock-off of an old drug or not.
> The drug itself can cause death. But the combination of that drug with Wellbutrin could raise the chances of death. This could be as what you describe here in relation to the {muscle tension} until it is known for sure what the muscle tension is from.
> Now there is a lot that I would like members or readers here to know about Effexor that I am prohibited from posting here due to a prohibition made to me by Mr. Hsiung. Now I think that if that prohibition was not made to me here, that I could post educational material that IMHHO could save lives by the fact that more information could be used to make a more informed decision as to take this drug or not, for in that prohibited information there could be something that you or others could understand to have you make a better decision as to take the drug or not.
> Here is a link to show the percent of people that take effexor that result in death. Notice also that Wellbutrin was in some of the combinations with effexor in those that died.
> Now the percentage is given. But there is also the aspect of the drug(s) causing tardive dyskinesia. And then there are other aspects od life-ruining conditions as a result of the drugs which can be fatal.
> Now I see from what you wrote here a potential for you to die or get a life-ruing condition. I base this on what you wrote, and that last year around 42,000 people died from psychotropic drugs, but that figure could be 100 times that much as some think that reported events are only a small part of the total events.
> Lou
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor+xr/death

displaced9,

Now the combining of the drugs effexor and wellbutrin can have the effect of causing siezures and other consequences as well.
Here is a link that shows about siezures .
Lou
http://www.drugs.com/interactions-check.php?drug_list=2296-1523,440-204

 

Lou's response-efexrdth

Posted by Lou Pilder on March 4, 2012, at 12:46:10

In reply to Lou's response-, posted by Lou Pilder on March 4, 2012, at 11:59:58

> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I had posted on here about about constant muscle tension/spasms/pain whilst taking Zoloft. I read that this is a rare side effect of Zoloft and thus slowly discontinued the Zoloft (from a dosage of 300mg/daily) down to 0. I then switched over to Remeron (Mirtazapine) going to a dose of 90 mg/daily. At this dose, I had substantial weight gain in a short time, and my anxiety was kind of "through the roof" although the muscle tension had gone away. After trying to stick out the Remeron for 2+ months, we decided to decrease the dose (and discontinue) and cross-over to Effexor XR. I now take Effexor XR 225mg/daily plus Wellbutrin XL 300mg/daily, and unfortunately my muscle tension is back. While not as bad as before, it can get pretty uncomfortable. I can only attribute this to either the Effexor or not taking the Remeron, since the WB was added well after I started Effexor and the muscle tension came back.
> > >
> > > I know that muscle tension / pain can be a sign of serotonin syndrome, but I have no other symptoms. In fact, I feel pretty fantastic with Effexor. My anxiety is under control and I am much more calm.
> > >
> > > Is it / could it be a side effect of anything that affects Serotonin to cause this muscle tension?
> > >
> > > I can take a Rx muscle relaxer but I don't want to rely on that. I bought Glycine and GABA last night as I read that can help, but wanted to get input on the muscle tension/pain.
> > >
> > > It is mostly my upper back/neck/shoulders but I can also feel the tension in my arms, legs, etc.
> > >
> >
> > displaced9,
> > You wrote the above.
> > Now I have looked into your situation described here and find that there is a risk for you being killed by the drugs that you are taking.
> > You see, the drug {Effexor} has a chemical similarity of an old drug, so you might want to understand if or if not Efexor is a new name for a knock-off of an old drug or not.
> > The drug itself can cause death. But the combination of that drug with Wellbutrin could raise the chances of death. This could be as what you describe here in relation to the {muscle tension} until it is known for sure what the muscle tension is from.
> > Now there is a lot that I would like members or readers here to know about Effexor that I am prohibited from posting here due to a prohibition made to me by Mr. Hsiung. Now I think that if that prohibition was not made to me here, that I could post educational material that IMHHO could save lives by the fact that more information could be used to make a more informed decision as to take this drug or not, for in that prohibited information there could be something that you or others could understand to have you make a better decision as to take the drug or not.
> > Here is a link to show the percent of people that take effexor that result in death. Notice also that Wellbutrin was in some of the combinations with effexor in those that died.
> > Now the percentage is given. But there is also the aspect of the drug(s) causing tardive dyskinesia. And then there are other aspects od life-ruining conditions as a result of the drugs which can be fatal.
> > Now I see from what you wrote here a potential for you to die or get a life-ruing condition. I base this on what you wrote, and that last year around 42,000 people died from psychotropic drugs, but that figure could be 100 times that much as some think that reported events are only a small part of the total events.
> > Lou
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor+xr/death
>
> displaced9,
>
> Now the combining of the drugs effexor and wellbutrin can have the effect of causing siezures and other consequences as well.
> Here is a link that shows about siezures .
> Lou
> http://www.drugs.com/interactions-check.php?drug_list=2296-1523,440-204

displced9,
Here is a link that shows 30 or so deaths. from effexor as in suicide and such.
Lou
To see ths article:
A. PUll up Google
B. Type in:
[Druglib, Reported Effexor XR Side Effects and adverse reactions-death]
Usually first...There will be about 30 or so reports.

 

Lou's response-efexrdth-psuehpsyd

Posted by Lou Pilder on March 4, 2012, at 13:12:41

In reply to Lou's response-efexrdth, posted by Lou Pilder on March 4, 2012, at 12:46:10

> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > I had posted on here about about constant muscle tension/spasms/pain whilst taking Zoloft. I read that this is a rare side effect of Zoloft and thus slowly discontinued the Zoloft (from a dosage of 300mg/daily) down to 0. I then switched over to Remeron (Mirtazapine) going to a dose of 90 mg/daily. At this dose, I had substantial weight gain in a short time, and my anxiety was kind of "through the roof" although the muscle tension had gone away. After trying to stick out the Remeron for 2+ months, we decided to decrease the dose (and discontinue) and cross-over to Effexor XR. I now take Effexor XR 225mg/daily plus Wellbutrin XL 300mg/daily, and unfortunately my muscle tension is back. While not as bad as before, it can get pretty uncomfortable. I can only attribute this to either the Effexor or not taking the Remeron, since the WB was added well after I started Effexor and the muscle tension came back.
> > > >
> > > > I know that muscle tension / pain can be a sign of serotonin syndrome, but I have no other symptoms. In fact, I feel pretty fantastic with Effexor. My anxiety is under control and I am much more calm.
> > > >
> > > > Is it / could it be a side effect of anything that affects Serotonin to cause this muscle tension?
> > > >
> > > > I can take a Rx muscle relaxer but I don't want to rely on that. I bought Glycine and GABA last night as I read that can help, but wanted to get input on the muscle tension/pain.
> > > >
> > > > It is mostly my upper back/neck/shoulders but I can also feel the tension in my arms, legs, etc.
> > > >
> > >
> > > displaced9,
> > > You wrote the above.
> > > Now I have looked into your situation described here and find that there is a risk for you being killed by the drugs that you are taking.
> > > You see, the drug {Effexor} has a chemical similarity of an old drug, so you might want to understand if or if not Efexor is a new name for a knock-off of an old drug or not.
> > > The drug itself can cause death. But the combination of that drug with Wellbutrin could raise the chances of death. This could be as what you describe here in relation to the {muscle tension} until it is known for sure what the muscle tension is from.
> > > Now there is a lot that I would like members or readers here to know about Effexor that I am prohibited from posting here due to a prohibition made to me by Mr. Hsiung. Now I think that if that prohibition was not made to me here, that I could post educational material that IMHHO could save lives by the fact that more information could be used to make a more informed decision as to take this drug or not, for in that prohibited information there could be something that you or others could understand to have you make a better decision as to take the drug or not.
> > > Here is a link to show the percent of people that take effexor that result in death. Notice also that Wellbutrin was in some of the combinations with effexor in those that died.
> > > Now the percentage is given. But there is also the aspect of the drug(s) causing tardive dyskinesia. And then there are other aspects od life-ruining conditions as a result of the drugs which can be fatal.
> > > Now I see from what you wrote here a potential for you to die or get a life-ruing condition. I base this on what you wrote, and that last year around 42,000 people died from psychotropic drugs, but that figure could be 100 times that much as some think that reported events are only a small part of the total events.
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor+xr/death
> >
> > displaced9,
> >
> > Now the combining of the drugs effexor and wellbutrin can have the effect of causing siezures and other consequences as well.
> > Here is a link that shows about siezures .
> > Lou
> > http://www.drugs.com/interactions-check.php?drug_list=2296-1523,440-204
>
> displced9,
> Here is a link that shows 30 or so deaths. from effexor as in suicide and such.
> Lou
> To see ths article:
> A. PUll up Google
> B. Type in:
> [Druglib, Reported Effexor XR Side Effects and adverse reactions-death]
> Usually first...There will be about 30 or so reports.

displaced9,
Here is a link to the warnings and such concerning effexor. Please read the {contrindications-adverse effects-warnings ect..]
Notice that suicide is a warning from the FDA . This is FDA issued warnings that I think could be followed and if so couldd save lives.
Now I ask for you to think that if a drug could cause someone to want to kill themselves, why would a prescriber issue a prescription to someone that is depressed, for depression could cause suicide thinking. Then the drug could increae that type of thinking? Seems logical to me.
Lou
http://www.drugs.com/pro/venlafaxine.html

 

Re: Muscle tension / spasm? / knots from SSRI/SNRIs

Posted by emmanuel98 on March 4, 2012, at 17:52:48

In reply to Re: Muscle tension / spasm? / knots from SSRI/SNRIs, posted by Laney on March 4, 2012, at 10:32:22

If the effexor is working, you might want to try going to a Feldenkreis practitioner. This is an amazing technique for learning to relax tight muscles. I went years ago for 4-5 sessions and still feel it's the best money I ever spent.

 

Re: Muscle tension / spasm? / knots from SSRI/SNRIs

Posted by Raisinb on March 4, 2012, at 22:09:58

In reply to Muscle tension / spasm? / knots from SSRI/SNRIs, posted by displaced9 on March 4, 2012, at 7:12:37

Yes, that can be a side effect. I had severe muscle tension in Wellbutrin--to the point where I couldn't relax my muscles until I'd taken a hefty dose of Xanax. I also had jaw clenching on Lexapro. My pdoc at the time seemed to feel this was fairly common,

 

Re: Muscle tension / spasm? / knots from SSRI/SNRIs

Posted by creepy on March 5, 2012, at 15:15:00

In reply to Muscle tension / spasm? / knots from SSRI/SNRIs, posted by displaced9 on March 4, 2012, at 7:12:37

zoloft starts to work on dopamine at those higher doses. Who knows what effects that might have.
Im on 200mg and I do get some akathisia here and there but its manageable.
Be careful what you take it with. Some other drugs block enzymes that metabolize zoloft.
Muscle tension in the neck makes me think of anxiety. I have had this on some activating SSRIs such as prozac. Not much to do except lower the dose or switch if it doesnt resolve on its own.


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