Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 892662

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sleep and anxiety

Posted by garnet71 on April 24, 2009, at 22:28:31

Can bad sleep cause anxiety or does anxiety cause bad sleep? I'm such a light sleeper, I hate it. I have a lot of lucid dreams, though not as much recently, but it's like my brain won't let me leave consciousness. It always wants to stay on and be active instead. Then I used to be conscious of my sleep paralysis--and be paralyzed for a moment, sometimes longer, trying to move. I hated that.

I have a 2 story home and always sleep with my bedroom door closed. Even so, for example, if someone downstairs were to light a match, I instantly, well abruptly, wake up from the smell. Then I can't go back to sleep. I'm not really having anxiety now, but was like this for a long time.

Just wondering how important sleep patterns are to our brain function, but more specifically to anxiety. I know sleep is very important, but does anyone here know about this subject?

 

Re: sleep and anxiety garnet71

Posted by Phillipa on April 24, 2009, at 23:20:23

In reply to sleep and anxiety, posted by garnet71 on April 24, 2009, at 22:28:31

Garnet for me it's extremely important. Light sleeper as well ear plugs still hear things. I do think if anxious trouble falling asleep and waking up early cause my sleep is messed up from years of worrying about sleeping. Love Phillipa

 

Re: sleep and anxiety

Posted by desolationrower on April 25, 2009, at 0:00:33

In reply to sleep and anxiety, posted by garnet71 on April 24, 2009, at 22:28:31

well, we still don't really know why sleep is necessary, but yeah bad sleep->anxiety and vice versa. although, keep in mind subjective experience of sleep and actual quality are often very different.

-d/r

 

Re: sleep and anxiety

Posted by Zana on April 25, 2009, at 9:57:26

In reply to Re: sleep and anxiety, posted by desolationrower on April 25, 2009, at 0:00:33

My pdoc says a good 8 hours of sleep is always her 1st recommendation. Thats what I take remeron for. Anxiety can certainly interfer with sleep.
Hope you can get a good night. It makes a huge difference to me.

Zana

 

Re: sleep and anxiety garnet71

Posted by jms600 on April 25, 2009, at 12:13:05

In reply to sleep and anxiety, posted by garnet71 on April 24, 2009, at 22:28:31

Anxiety can certainly cause insomnia and - with me in particular - poor/little sleep can certainly increase anxiety the following day. If I have a poor night's sleep I'm utterly useless the next day. My anxiety goes through the roof, I feel physically unwell, I have no energy (I guess that one's an obvious one). The only thing that helps is a good night's sleep the following night - no amount of napping during the day seems to help.

This is probably a silly question but have you considered sleeping medications or sedating antidepressants?

From what you have said you sound an ideal candidate for Agomelatine.

 

Re: sleep and anxiety

Posted by Amelia_in_StPaul on April 26, 2009, at 14:45:07

In reply to sleep and anxiety, posted by garnet71 on April 24, 2009, at 22:28:31

Anxiety can cause sleep problems can cause anxiety (as I'm sure you're experiencing, unfortunately). But sleep problems are a double-edged sword. On the one hand, I have read studies (and my very decidedly non-alternative psychiatrist has brought this up too) that sleep deprivation is a bit of a curative for depression. On the other, if you are in REM sleep a lot, you are not in stage 4 sleep, and that's the restorative part, the part that repairs our muscles and get things all nice and fixed up so we feel refreshed in the morning.

I am in REM sleep way, way too much. Trazodone is supposed to help that, and to some extent I do think it increases stage 4, but not enough for my liking.

 

Re: sleep and anxiety

Posted by sowhysosad on April 26, 2009, at 15:37:45

In reply to Re: sleep and anxiety, posted by Amelia_in_StPaul on April 26, 2009, at 14:45:07

> I have read studies (and my very decidedly non-alternative psychiatrist has brought this up too) that sleep deprivation is a bit of a curative for depression.

Yeah, I experimented with sleep deprivation earlier this week, limiting myself to only 3 hours. Although I felt physically exhausted, my mood was massively improved. My dopamine level in particular seemed much higher.

> I am in REM sleep way, way too much. Trazodone is supposed to help that, and to some extent I do think it increases stage 4, but not enough for my liking.

I think that's been my problem too- sleeping excessively but having tons of REM sleep. Ironically I've been on a tricyclic, which is supposed to improve depression by supressing REM sleep, but it seemed to have the opposite effect for me!

 

Re: sleep and anxiety

Posted by Phillipa on April 26, 2009, at 21:45:40

In reply to Re: sleep and anxiety, posted by sowhysosad on April 26, 2009, at 15:37:45

Never sleep deprivation for me as if don't get sleep no functioning at all the next day. Phillipa

 

Re: sleep and anxiety

Posted by manic666 on April 30, 2009, at 12:55:43

In reply to sleep and anxiety, posted by garnet71 on April 24, 2009, at 22:28:31

i am a crap sleeper , get up all the time for a wizz or walkabout, but having said that my wife only ever sleeps 3 to 4 hours every night an to her thats normal.

 

Re: sleep and anxiety

Posted by Garnet71 on May 4, 2009, at 21:19:48

In reply to Re: sleep and anxiety, posted by manic666 on April 30, 2009, at 12:55:43

well Manic-I wish I was like your wife and only needed 3-4 hours' sleep!! Lucky her!! my father was like that too his whole life.

So I slept 3 hrs. last night; had a long day and thought I'd go to sleep early tonight. So I just feel asleep for TEN WHOLE MINUTES...got woken up by a door closing....and now will be up 1/2 the night and only get 3 hrs of sleep again..that's the way it always happens. sleep 10 minutes-and can't fall back to sleep. yes, it makes anxiety worse I think...

I dont' get it! So would sleeping drugs mitigate being a 'light sleeper'? Not that i want to take more drugs..are there any alternative remedies? herbs? vitamins?

Almost everytime I get a chance to get a good nights sleep-wanting to catch up--it doesn't happen. But for some reason, I stopped having lucid dreams. I haven't been remembering my dreams very well either...does anyone know what that means?

I need my sleep!

 

Re: sleep and anxiety

Posted by Garnet71 on May 4, 2009, at 21:23:40

In reply to Re: sleep and anxiety, posted by Garnet71 on May 4, 2009, at 21:19:48

Hey - doesn't norephinephrine regulate your autonomous nervous system in part, effecting sleep patterns/breathing during sleep? What about about hormones and sleep - patterns vs. regulation/Melatonin?


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