Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 852089

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class a drugs

Posted by manic666 on September 15, 2008, at 5:59:51

im not takeing the p/ss here but say someone has tried near every med to find a cure an the doc said your not getting better maby worse. not me just any one, an there life is one long piece of crap.now here,s the controversy.if your really ill ordinary hospital they give you morphine for the pain ok.so let say heroin i know a bad word, help a serious mentaly ill person to have a life i would say let them have it.sure he or she may want more as time moved on , so what we do on are meds, as for addiction so what again , it is a well know fact that heroin is easier to come of than most of the crap we take. i no its a strange question but i think valid . the meds we take mess up are liver kidneys makes us fat makes our hair fall out. makes us sick , headaces, pain in are limbs ect ect.is it any worse all the rock stars preach the evils after being on it 30years it would be cheaper than there normal meds an mabye just mabye be happy for a few years. gome on now bite my head with the venom you feel for class a drugs. when i was in hospital the young guy smoked heroin in the outside smoking erea. an when i looked at them, they were on a far better place than me.the point is if nothing else works would you say no, MANIC666

 

Re: class a drugs » manic666

Posted by Phillipa on September 15, 2008, at 10:54:54

In reply to class a drugs, posted by manic666 on September 15, 2008, at 5:59:51

Manic666 I Think I know what your're saying that prescribed meds are addictive and don't help lots of times and it seems that illicit meds do help some people and why not take them instead and feel good for a while. This is a question I've also wanted to ask as when I drank thought nothing of it I only needed a tiny dose of xanax and felt great. So is this what you mean?ps no on the heroine.

 

Re: class a drugs » manic666

Posted by seldomseen on September 15, 2008, at 17:26:49

In reply to class a drugs, posted by manic666 on September 15, 2008, at 5:59:51

Manic,

It's a good question. Especially about the heroin. The other class A's - wouldn't work out for me. Sometimes anything for a moment's peace you know? Any port in the storm.

May surprise you to know that I have long been a defender of the user, but have left the class a's, b's, and most of c's alone. No one starts off on these drugs with the intent of becoming an addict. I think they take them initially and get something very powerful from them. They go back and continue to do so until their life is just about that feeling.

Rare is the high functioning heroin user. Even rarer is the casual user and, for me, therein lies the rub. These drugs, in my opinion, really don't allow one to have a life. They *become* the life. It's like you trade one hell for another.

So I guess a subquestion would be, which hell is better?

Seldom

 

Re: class a drugs » seldomseen

Posted by Phillipa on September 15, 2008, at 20:17:43

In reply to Re: class a drugs » manic666, posted by seldomseen on September 15, 2008, at 17:26:49

Seldom what are your thoughts on ultram? Phillipa

 

Re: class a drugs

Posted by med_empowered on September 15, 2008, at 22:59:31

In reply to Re: class a drugs » seldomseen, posted by Phillipa on September 15, 2008, at 20:17:43

I'm pretty much of the opinion that the world would be a much happier place if we made any and all drugs available w/o a prescription. The job of the gov't could then be limited to controlling manufacture (to make sure the stuff is pure) and taxing the products (to help fund treatment programs, just like we do with big tobacco).

Plus, I'm pretty sure getting rid of the prescription system and the drug laws would drive down the price of pharmaceuticals dramatically. One reason people pay hundreds per month for minimally effective psychiatric drugs w/ lots of side effects is b/c...it's illegal to take what really works, and nobody wants to go to jail.

Also, the prescription system and drug mess up what should ideally be a free market system. Then again..I don't think pdocs would be happy if their (former) patients spent their $$$ on cheap OTC benzos, uppers, and heroin (I imagine the free market would also make the fun drugs cheap b/c of competition), nor would Big Pharma be pleased if people were getting "high" off of old, cheap drugs (many of which were once "meds"), instead of getting "treatment" w/ the newest pharmie miracles.

You'll notice that even in the RX world, once something newer and more expensive comes along, the older meds are painted as dangerous and/or addictive.

Example: For a long time barbiturates were considered relatively safe. Then benzos came along. Although barbiturates were still RX'd through the 60s and 70s, their use became less routine (even though they were cheap and effective, while benzos were then kind of expensive) b/c barbiturates were painted as "dangerous" and "addictive".

The benzos were touted as "effective" and "safe." Then the SSRIs and "atypical" antipsychotics hit the scene...now benzos are portrayed as "addictive" and "dangerous," while antidepressants and antipsychotics are considered "safe treatments" (despite their costs and side-effects).

 

Re: class a drugs »SeldomSeen » med_empowered

Posted by Racer on September 15, 2008, at 23:30:02

In reply to Re: class a drugs, posted by med_empowered on September 15, 2008, at 22:59:31

I have two comments to make on this -- actually I have a novel I would write on the subject, but I'm too tired right now... Maybe later, because it's a subject I feel strongly about.

SeldomSeen, casual use of heroin is actually more common than you might think. And a fair number of those people stay casual users. Some of them are pretty high functioning -- more highly functioning than I am these days, since they have jobs, etc.

MedEmpowered, a huge part of the reason for benzos to overtake barbiturates over the past couple of decades has little to do with questions regarding addiction, etc. The benzos are far safer in overdose than barbiturates, and don't have the same potential outcome if mixed with a bit of booze. That safety factor has a lot to do with the change to benzos and SSRIs from barbiturates and TCAs/MAOIs -- especially since anxiety and depression are risk factors for suicide. That seems like an awfully good idea to me.

Briefly, since I said there are casual users of heroin who stay casual: I don't recommend that anyone try it. The potential damage caused by anything beyond very casual and occasional use is just too great, and there's no way to tell whether you'd be one of those few who really can remain casual about it. For some, once may be too many times -- it's probably not worth the risk.

As far as drugs in general go, I'm all in favor of legalizing everything. Not decriminalizing -- actually legalizing them. Control quality, tax the things the way cigarettes and alcohol are taxed, and admit that prohibition has never worked. Prohibition is what led to a lot of the organized crime problem in this country, and it ultimately failed anyway. Let's cut the profits of the Not So Nice Guys who make and sell drugs, put the tax money to good use, protect users from dangerously adulterated drugs, and make it a whole lot easier for doctors to identify patients to refer for treatment.

Mind you -- I'm not talking OTC on any of these. I think they should all be prescription -- again, if they're legally available, it takes a lot of the incentive away for an awful lot of criminal activity.

And lastly -- while they are illegal, I'm very much against prosecuting possession for personal use. Go after the bad guys, the guys making and selling it.

There. Short version of the novel, despite my earlier disclaimer.

 

Re: class a drugs

Posted by manic666 on September 16, 2008, at 6:20:05

In reply to class a drugs, posted by manic666 on September 15, 2008, at 5:59:51

the guys in my dorm at hospital smoked heroin an told me it costŁ2 a hit . they were high for about 5 hours then slept somtimes 15.the were takein hospital meds as well. the staff were saying arnt you doing well the dorks. this is f///in hospital an im 60 going on 21 an im in adorm with 4 twenty year old guys .hey they liked me an i liked them but who thought that one out. another trick was vodka in a water bottle you must notice all smackheads carry water bottles. an i must admit to sharein a little vodka but not the smack. manic666 ps they only smoked every 3rd day

 

same when a drug works magic poops out

Posted by Jeroen on September 16, 2008, at 14:20:59

In reply to Re: class a drugs » manic666, posted by Phillipa on September 15, 2008, at 10:54:54

same when a drug works magic poops out

2 months i felt happy, really normal and now the only cure Manic, doesnt work only after 2 weeks for 1 minute, thats really upsetting


and youre right manic
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