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Re: Marijuana

Posted by vainamoinen on February 2, 2006, at 13:27:10

In reply to Re: Marijuana, posted by mark anthony foott on February 2, 2006, at 12:37:16

Reality check...you're homeless. You're associations are quite loose and you are borderline incoherent.

To me you seem to be teetering on the edge of psychosis. Marijuana is not the medication of choice for people in your position, Haldol maybe, but not marijuana. The research indicates a correlation between marijuana use and mental illness.

Please get some help, any homeless shelter should be able to direct you to the approriate social services.

 

Re: Marijuana

Posted by mark anthony foott on February 2, 2006, at 14:00:12

In reply to Re: Marijuana, posted by vainamoinen on February 2, 2006, at 13:27:10

vainamoinen. What the hell are you getting into fella. You're telling me about marijuana, and all of the pitfalls it entails, and yet you are talking so much rubbish. Listen fella, I'm homeless but I've no problems to speak of. Soon i will be published as the worlds coolest street poet, and I wouldn't be able to do that If I was not at least O.K. in the head?
I'm not saying that pot is every man or womans cup of tea, but I am stating categorically that it works so much good on a hell of a lot of people who just want to have there shattered nerves soothed. If I was a doctor I would be advocating, and indeed fighting for the free availability of weed for the individual who would benefit.
Where are you all from anyway? I am in Bath in England, but I have not long returned from an almost three year stint in Seattle. The people in America<mainly the authorities>are so tolerant of the smoking of weed, and i feel that that is for a reason. Listen, why don't you just develope logic, and look at why the smokers on this planet are treated with a blind eye? Do you not think that the people in charge have got a clue as to what is going on? of course they have, and they like the majority of folk, can see the positive side to pot.

 

Re: Marijuana

Posted by fenix on February 2, 2006, at 14:27:49

In reply to Re: Marijuana, posted by mark anthony foott on February 2, 2006, at 14:00:12

Hmmm, if you are really homeless then how are you able to use a computer (unless it was at a library).

Marijuana is a complicated subject that I have no experience in, some say that it helps their anxiety, some say it makes them paranoid, but if sweet leaf makes you feel better, than I guess you have a problem solved right there.

 

Re: Marijuana please read my post above (nm)

Posted by FredPotter on February 2, 2006, at 14:50:04

In reply to Re: Marijuana, posted by fenix on February 2, 2006, at 14:27:49

 

Re: Marijuana

Posted by mark anthony foott on February 2, 2006, at 15:43:03

In reply to Re: Marijuana, posted by fenix on February 2, 2006, at 14:27:49

Hy fenix. So you don't smoke the weed, and still manage to present a totally unbiased viewpoint. I am impressed, and what's more, it gives me hope that there are lots of fair minded people like yourself on this planet. The more the merrier I say.
What are you Fenix? I mean, what sex are you. It doesn't really matter, but I would just like to try to put a face to the words? The movie actor who died, was called Pheonix Rivers, and he was a guy, so I'm guessing because ot the different spelling, you are female. That'll be fine, as the kindest person that I know on this planet is female. She's my mum.
I do my poetry straight out of my head, and it all comes so very very quickly. I feel that my poetry always contains something of at least a little relevance, and hopefully there will be something to give to who ever wants to take it.Anyway, I've absolutely no idea what I am to write, but it will be cool. Here goes.

Don't Judge.
by
Mark Anthony Foott.

I'm sitting here in the internet caff,
A poem, I have to write.
My names Mark Foott, and I have to put,
my views to the left, and right.

I have to be at least balanced,
Know what I'm talking about.
I'm hoping to see, this poem from me,
can leave you in no doubt.

No doubt that somehow, I can win,
and get there in the end.
That all will feel, that I am real,
and want to be my friend.

I know I can't get everyone,
but I'll get the ones I can.
Like you out there, who really care,
for a literal, homeless man.

I have my gift, for a reason,
just like the rest of you.
I'm hopimg some day, I'll find the way,
to do, what I must do.

I must try to do my best,
nothing must be, half measure.
Whether giving a hand, to help man stand,
or giving a woman pleasure.

I'll never be half hearted,
in anything that I do.
I'll use heart and mind, in order to find,
the way that's right, and true.

I want to help the third world,
that's a fact that's true,
but understand, I'd like a hand,
from maybe, some of you.

I'd like to get a book published,
then we can make a start,
to make a change, and rearrange,
bring about, true heart.

I'm using what's at my disposal,
anything at hand.
I'm just aware, that it's all there,
not choreographed, or planned.

Like the poetry that I'm given,
I cannot make it up.
It just comes out, of a spiritual spout,
and brimmeth over, my cup.

This chat of our's, is no accident,
and I hope one day, we'll meet.
when power of poem, has got my home,
and I'm not living on the street.

I'm going to end this poem now,
as I need go on, no more.
I've shown a bit, of real cool sh*t,
and I know what it's for.

it's simply part of my C.V.,
another poem well done.
It's just to show, so you can know,
that I'm a number one.

I'm not saying that I am the greatest,
but I'm not second to anyone.
Here's the point, I'll settle for joint,
equal with every one.

Well that's about that then. I'll call it a day for now, as I want to get off this computer for a bit, and chill out.
Fenix. I've just had a bit of a rude awakening? I have just realised that your name may not even be your real name, as we are all given the option of having a blagg post name. My name though, is totally real. My name is Mark Anthony, but I don't at the moment have a Cleopatra. Maybe in the future, we'll see.
Fenix, you also asked how I manage to get onto the internet if I'm not in a library?
God put's lot's of people in my life, and lot's of people have specific purposes. Some are there to help me, some are there to be helped by me, and some are there to simply be who they are.
I am in an internet cafe in Bath, but I don't have to pay a penny. this is because God knows that I have no respect for money, as such. Don't get me wrong, I know what a powerful tool it can be, and I do like it, but I will always be content to let it slip through my fingers. Anyway I don't have to pay, as all the staff who work here, don't charge me. I don't even have to ask.
Anyway, I'll close now, God bless you all.

 

Re: please be civil mark anthony foott vainamoinen

Posted by Dr. Bob on February 2, 2006, at 22:35:48

In reply to Re: Marijuana, posted by vainamoinen on February 2, 2006, at 13:27:10

> The text that you put into your POST was sort of big headedly flippant.
>
> mark anthony foott

> you are borderline incoherent.
>
> vainamoinen

Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.

If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil

Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.

Thanks,

Bob

 

Re: please be civil

Posted by mark anthony foott on February 3, 2006, at 12:38:19

In reply to Re: please be civil mark anthony foott vainamoinen, posted by Dr. Bob on February 2, 2006, at 22:35:48


First of all, please allow me to apologise if I have inadvertently upset anyone. If I was sounding flippant to you, then please let me assure you that I wasn't meaning to be.
What I'd like you to try to understand, is that circumstances in this life are so diverse to what I "presume" your's to be? At this moment in time, I am currently in possession of a load of dreams, but very little else?
I went wrong in life, but it was for a purpose.
I had to gain an empathy with the lowest "caste" in this life, namely, the homeless. Before God had me embark on this what I can only describe as a mission, I was leading the proverbial family life. A wife and two children later, I am well and truly screwed! At this moment in time I'm armed with only words. Words in poems,words in letters, and words in cyber talk,
My life has had to change immeasurably to get me to exactly where I am now. If I hadn't gone through so much crap in this existence, then I'd surely be still stuck in the same rut that I had spent all of my life in. That rut took everything from me. I was left feeling like my head was empty most of the time. But then God's plan kicked in for me, and it has been so life changingly awesome at times.
Only around 8 yrs ago, I was living in a life of nothing but ignorance and self doubt. I had no conception whatsoever what God was, and was <I suppose> content to randomly meander through that life. Things had to change radically so that I would wake up and smell the coffee. God wasn't going to make it easy for me, but I've been blessed in the fact that I have never been given more than I could stand.
This journey I've been on has took me to some weird and some cool places, and the people that I've met on my travels, have been cool, not so cool, different, and indifferent, but I have had the chance to learn so much. So much more than if I had been left in my dreamlike marital state.
How can a homeless fella living on the streets of Bath, suddenly find himself homeless, and on the streets of Seattle U.S.A.? Let me try to explain a little.
I was in the city of Bristol with a woman who I had met in Plymouth, we split up, and I ended up walking the few miles to Bath. I was dejected and didn't have a penny in my pockets. I had never been to bath, and had no idea of the special history that is assigned to it through the annals of time.
I arrived in Bath at the end of august 2001, and within a fortnight had witnessed the horror of 911 in New York. Even though I'm English and was far away from the states, I felt the absolute shock of what was happening in America. I remember watching the T.V. in a homeless shelter in Bath, called Julian House, and every single person in the place was in some kind of shock. I vividly remember those poor poor people who were faced with the only option available to them? Jump, or burn!! That day made an impression on not only the U.S., but on every single Christian based country on the planet. No more shocking event<in a peaceful country>had ever taken place, and to be honest, it's hard to envision anything more devastatingly tragic.
It was to be another year almost, before I was to end up in America, and here's how it happened.
I met a fella called Owain, and owain was to be the tool that God would ultimately use to get me to where he wanted me. Owain was aware of the strange events that had been surrounding me, and he was also aware that I felt that God wanted me to get to America to write a book.
Look, if I'm going to tell you my story, I'd like to know that someone is interested first. I don't want to be puttong a load of writing on the computer that no-one is really interested in.
If any of you would like to hear what I have to say, then please let me know, and if no-one let's me know, then I'll drop this whole thing now. I hope that that is all quite coherent to you. Goodbye for now, or forever?

 

Re: please be civil

Posted by vainamoinen on February 3, 2006, at 13:24:45

In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by mark anthony foott on February 3, 2006, at 12:38:19

No offense meant, and none taken.

In all seriousness though, you're thought processes seem similar to other people I've encountered who have mental health issues. But I'm no doctor, so maybe get yourself checked out when you have a chance. It's probably nothing. I'm just concerned is all. May good health and blessings follow you wherever you go regardless.

 

Re: please be civil

Posted by mark anthony foott on February 3, 2006, at 13:41:55

In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by vainamoinen on February 3, 2006, at 13:24:45


I've just learnt that you are one judgemental sonovabeach. How can you say "no offence" and then go straight into your speech about not being a doctor buttttttttttttttt, and give your totally unqualified opinion that I have mental problems? you certainly know how to impress a fella. Will you lend me your book after you have read it. What's it called? How to win people over in 1'00000000000000000000 easy lessons?

 

Re: please be civil

Posted by vainamoinen on February 3, 2006, at 13:52:52

In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by mark anthony foott on February 3, 2006, at 13:41:55

Again I apologize, I'm not trying to offend. This board is for people who have psychiatric disorders. That includes me. There is no shame in mental illness. And I've also been around enough family members and friends who also have psychiatric diagnoses to say that you sound like you may be in the same boat. I say may be. Just get checked out is all I'm saying. Like you would get a physical exam every year to make sure the ticker is in good working order.

I suffered for over 20 years with an incorrect diagnosis until I was diagnosed as bipolar. And I've seen family members and friends suffer greatly as well. And I don't want to see anyone else go through what I went through needlessly.

 

Re: please be civil

Posted by mark anthony foott on February 3, 2006, at 14:41:51

In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by vainamoinen on February 3, 2006, at 13:52:52

Vainamoinen. I'm sorry. I had no idea what this netsite was about. Now that I know I'm among fellow Loons, I can understand your gist a bit more.
Bi-polar, ain't that a bitch. When I was in the states,and I wanted to leave to get back to Britain, I had to take drastic action? I was in a strange country, homeless, had no i.d., and no matter what I did, it didn't seem to matter. I felt that I was almost held against my will and decided I would get the American authorities to kick me out.
I went to Nordstrom's department store in downtown Seattle, and smashed a window valued at 2 and a half grand. I was put into King county jail for 5 days, and then suddenly released? I was informed that Nordstrom's had not filed, so I was free to go. I was out back on the street in the same boat I was in before, and Had to do the same thing all over again, this time though, I smashed eleven windows, valued at 49 and a half grand. This time I signed the paper to be checked out by the local hospital. Whilst there, I was fitted with bi-polar label. Consequently though upon my return to britain, I have been informed that that diagnosis was wrong?

 

Re: please be civil

Posted by vainamoinen on February 3, 2006, at 15:10:30

In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by mark anthony foott on February 3, 2006, at 14:41:51

We prefer the term "nutjob" or "wacko" over Loon.

'Course that may be just because we don't speak English on this side of the pond.

 

I agree with you mark

Posted by linkadge on February 3, 2006, at 17:30:27

In reply to Re: Marijuana, posted by mark anthony foott on February 2, 2006, at 14:00:12

I think marajuanna should be legalized. It is was an effective treatment for anxiety and insomnia in me. A lot of other treatments were making things worse when marajuanna helped.

I'm not a juinkie, its use was not uncontrolled at all.

Linkadge

 

Re: just a thought

Posted by tizza on February 3, 2006, at 18:41:55

In reply to I agree with you mark, posted by linkadge on February 3, 2006, at 17:30:27

I think one of the biggest problems in society with smoking dope is you never know how it will affect you. It does help some people (cancer pain, chemo treatment, relaxation and creativity) but for others it can unfortunatly unleash a severe mental illness which the user never knew existed until they started smoking. It's a double edged sword like any drug but when people start flippin' out they don't realise that they are getting sicker and sicker because they have entered la la land. I'm not here to judge or make anyone uncomfortable but there is always risks with any drug, legal or illegal

 

Re: just a thought

Posted by vainamoinen on February 3, 2006, at 18:49:00

In reply to Re: just a thought, posted by tizza on February 3, 2006, at 18:41:55

From what I've read the latest research shows animals self administer THC in a robust manner just like cocaine, amphetamine, and other drugs of abuse. Also it seems marijuana intoxication effects dopamine release in the nucleus accumbens area of the brain, also just like heroin cocaine etc. So the only reason MJ isn't regarded as a "hard" drug is because it's elimination from the body is so slow that detox is not dramatic.

 

Re: just a thought tizza

Posted by linkadge on February 3, 2006, at 19:03:49

In reply to Re: just a thought, posted by tizza on February 3, 2006, at 18:41:55

There is a lot of controversy about these assertions. The question as to weather or not marajuanna ever caused the illness or weather somebody with the illness was drawn to the drug.

I'm not saying it is without side effect, but perhaps some of the psychological side effects could be separated from the positive psychological effects.

It made me mildly paranoid, but the improvement in sleep and anxiety seemed to well outweigh the side effects.


Linkadge

 

Re: just a thought vainamoinen

Posted by linkadge on February 3, 2006, at 19:16:05

In reply to Re: just a thought, posted by vainamoinen on February 3, 2006, at 18:49:00

Self administration of marajuanna is not identical to self administration of cocaine. There are similarities in that yes it does increase dopamine in the neucleus accumbens but so what, so does coffee. That effect in itself is not enough to dismiss the drug. Keep reading.


There are clear differences. With cocaine you can die from heart failure, dehydration, anorexia, stroke etc, whereas many of these complications are nonexistant with marajuanna. A rat will substitue cocaine for food and sleep, but a rat will not substitute marajuanna (or opium for that matter) with food or sleep. In addition, marajuanna seems to confer overall neuroprotective effects. There are derivitives of cannabis in the pipelines in attempts to halt alzheimers and parkinsons progression.

Many of the medicinal effets of marajuanna are probably unrealted to its effects on neucleus accumbens dopamine. It acts as a multiple serotonin agonist/antagonist, which may be responsible for anti-anxiety, and anti-nausiant effects.

In addition, marajuanna reduces the activity of the HPA axis, and reduces cortisol, something that cocaine does not do.

Finally, Marajuanna is unlike many other drugs of abuse in that it actually promotes hippocampal proliferation, an effect which is similar to virtually all other antidepressant compounds.

See:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=32033&nfid=rssfeeds

I am not a druggee by any strech of the imagination. To lump marajuanna in with other drugs is a bad idea.


Linkadge


 

Re: just a thought

Posted by vainamoinen on February 3, 2006, at 19:26:08

In reply to Re: just a thought vainamoinen, posted by linkadge on February 3, 2006, at 19:16:05

I must admit I'm recovering from marijuana addiction so I have a biased opinion.

 

Re: just a thought

Posted by tizza on February 3, 2006, at 20:02:02

In reply to Re: just a thought, posted by vainamoinen on February 3, 2006, at 19:26:08

I haven't been able to touch it for over 10 years. It sends me into unbelievable paranoia and extreme anxiety which then leads to full blown panic attacks which lasted for days. I am one of the statistics for whom it is very bad and have suffered from depression and anxiety on and off for the last 12 years now. Even the smell of it makes my heart race and I have had 2 friends institutionalised from it with extreme psychosis but, I still know people who smoke and will till the day they die and they are fine

 

Re: Wimpy hypocrites and naysayers and Marijuana

Posted by Responsible_Citizen on February 4, 2006, at 0:43:05

In reply to Re: just a thought, posted by tizza on February 3, 2006, at 20:02:02

Interesting thread...You learn that people can be quick to judge, then later recant their judgmental statements and apologize. Seek first to understand before judging someone. Many times we preemptively impose judgments solely for the purpose of protecting our ego. We think we know what we're talking about, when in fact, we know nothing at all.

Mark was itching to express his opinion on a topic for which many of us share a common interest. He had something on his mind. So, in retrospect, we ought to have just "listened" without passing judgment.

To the wimpy hypocrites and naysayers, shame on you all.

QED

Regarding marijuana, I agree with Mark and Linkadge, et al. It possesses both medical value and the capacity to cause harm; here is your double-edged sword. Yeah, some people shouldn't use it. Fortunately, we have a brain that can decide whether the benefits outweigh the risks. In any case and until it's decriminalized, if that day ever comes, the botton line is that marijuana is still placed firmly in schedule one per the Controlled Substances Act. So, it's a prohibited substance that US citizens cannot use, cultivate or distribute. This is the case even if it's use is approved and recommended by a physician.

Personally, and if it pleases this forum, I do think that marijuana possesses legitemate medical value. This is true especially by virtue of medical-necessity for those who suffer from painful conditions who continue to experience intractable pain after exhausting all viable alternatives.

 

Re: Wimpy hypocrites and naysayers and Marijuana

Posted by fenix on February 4, 2006, at 3:27:46

In reply to Re: Wimpy hypocrites and naysayers and Marijuana, posted by Responsible_Citizen on February 4, 2006, at 0:43:05

Mark spits out incoherant babble, and you all know that. Maybe people could better respond to him if they undertsood what the f*ck he was talking about.

 

Re: Compassion and understanding

Posted by tizza on February 4, 2006, at 5:57:17

In reply to Re: Wimpy hypocrites and naysayers and Marijuana, posted by fenix on February 4, 2006, at 3:27:46

> Mark spits out incoherant babble, and you all know that. Maybe people could better respond to him if they undertsood what the f*ck he was talking about.


Fenix, we all have to live in a world where people express different views and opinions. It's what makes the world go around, this is a place to express how you are feeling and sometimes people get heated, but try not to judge people no matter how delusional they may seem to you. We all have to stick together, we are all coming from different places in time and different head spaces. Let's stick together on this and accept different views to gain from other experiences.

 

Re: Wimpy hypocrites and naysayers and Marijuana

Posted by linkadge on February 4, 2006, at 9:05:09

In reply to Re: Wimpy hypocrites and naysayers and Marijuana, posted by fenix on February 4, 2006, at 3:27:46

It is not a requirement for posting that we need to have perfect grammar.

I think his situation raises a point. Many people who do promote marajuanna are received poorly. We lump them into a category and judge their oppinions accordinly. Good people don't use illegal drugs. I've use marajuanna for ailments that pharmacudical drugs were meant to aid.

Consider Effexor. It is used these days as a popular antidepressant and antianxiety agent. But if I take it, I can't concetrate, sleep and I loose my appetite. So I may use a pinch of marajuanna. It helps the anxiey and insomnia, and it does lift my mood. Sure, I'm a little dumber the next day, but much less so than if I took say, a TCA.

I hope that it, or some form of it, will be available soon for psychiatric disorders.

Note, THC mimics endocannabanoids like anandamide. There is an anandamide reputake inhibitor in the pipelines for anxiety disorders.


Linkadge


 

Blocked for a week fenix

Posted by Dinah on February 4, 2006, at 10:06:50

In reply to Re: Wimpy hypocrites and naysayers and Marijuana, posted by fenix on February 4, 2006, at 3:27:46

> Mark spits out incoherant babble, and you all know that. Maybe people could better respond to him if they undertsood what the f*ck he was talking about.

Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.

Dr. Bob has asked you to be civil before, so I'm going to have to block you for a week.

If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:

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Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.

All deputy actions are subject to review by Dr. Bob, and if you wish to appeal this decision, please contact him by email. His email address is at the bottom of each page.

Dinah, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob

 

Please be civil Responsible_Citizen

Posted by Dinah on February 4, 2006, at 10:10:23

In reply to Re: Wimpy hypocrites and naysayers and Marijuana, posted by Responsible_Citizen on February 4, 2006, at 0:43:05

> To the wimpy hypocrites and naysayers, shame on you all.

Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.

Also, if everyone could please remember to change the subject line in posts that have been deemed uncivil?

If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil

Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.

All deputy actions are subject to review by Dr. Bob, and if you wish to appeal this action, you may do so on the Administration board or by email.

Dinah, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob


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