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Adderall pros and cons

Posted by geno on April 26, 2005, at 12:56:45

Hello, Id like some advise, yet in my own mind I always think I know or think i know what is going on and how to combat such.
My problem im having is sorta a catch 22. Im perscribed 30mg of adderall 3x daily. Thats a Total of 90mg a day. Also, For breakthrough anxiety .5mg of klonopin 2x daily, which i feel is just enough, some days maybe .5mg more.
Lexapro 10mg in the am, but just to keep the seratonin replenished, or whatever I mean .

Ok, I find that im not abusing the adderall, but im staying up 24 hrs, easy, say I do take my dose 6 hrs apart, usally 30mg about noon, 6pm, and midnight. Now Im a night owl, so I do sleep in the day, but I find myself, not tired and just taking another dose like 6am, and having no problem staying up for at least another 7hrs.

Now, I know im dependant on adderall, because, it did change my life so much , positive way, Im more outgoing , I work harder, think more, Not speedy, but just feel right, non depressed, though sometimes if i dont sleep right, ill get some ups and downs. I find if i stay up like 24 hrs or more, then when i go to bed, i sleep long, and wake up groggy. ONe time i stayed up 2 days and boy , the next 2 days were a rollicoster ride , up and down, depressed, lethargic, even when taking my doses. That I learned not to do, and I know that 16 hrs is enought, but i seem to take that 4th dose just to stay up and get more done.

Now when I take say 2 days off usually right before my refill, Im bed ridden. I cant or dont even feel like getting up for nothing. I sleep, wake up , lay there sleep, wont answer my phone, da da da. LIke I have to have it, which is scary, but I know its powerfull, and its good points are outweighing any bad.

I guess my question is has anyone had such problem, and really became dependant, not abusive, like taking 80mg, but just finding you have to take your dose every 6 hrs every day, and thinking of stopping is scary and depressing, because you end up in bed. I sometimes lower the dose and take caffiene 200mg with it, just to ease up on the higher dose, but I sure can tell if i go from 30 to 20mg. 15mg is nothing.

well thanks for any future imput.

 

Re: Adderall pros and cons geno

Posted by medhed on April 26, 2005, at 14:16:27

In reply to Adderall pros and cons, posted by geno on April 26, 2005, at 12:56:45

Have you asked your doc about adderall XR? once a day, in the morning, 30mg. Should last all day and wear off by PM. Then a sleep aid may help. Also a med vacation could be in order, sure, withdrawl from uppers is uncomfortable but it won't kill you and it's really not bad after a day or two (in my experience). If your speeding hard that's not what you're supposed to be doing, it's more about focus rather than tweeking. I have been taking stims on and off for 30yrs. for child and adult ADD. Hope this helps...

 

Re: Adderall pros and cons geno

Posted by Mr.Scott on April 26, 2005, at 15:35:57

In reply to Adderall pros and cons, posted by geno on April 26, 2005, at 12:56:45

May I ask how long you have been on this regimen and also what is your diagnosis?

Scott

 

Re: Adderall pros and cons

Posted by geno on April 26, 2005, at 18:45:03

In reply to Re: Adderall pros and cons geno, posted by Mr.Scott on April 26, 2005, at 15:35:57

Ok, thanx for your advise. Im sorry that I may have explained my problem wrong. I forgot to add, Im a recovering opiate addict, never used cocaine, but i must say when my doctor diagnosed me with ADD , which my symtoms are basically lethargic type depression, Refractory depression, but I basically had no zest for life feeling, or moresoe "reward deficient syndrome" as more like my dopaminergic system , limbic, VTA, or prefrontal cortex regions, dealing with dopamine i can bet you was the majority of my problem.
What I mean exactly, I thought for years it was serotonin or GABA, constantly trying SSRIS, SNRIS and desipramine , etc, with no avail.
As soon as i started the ADDERALL with 1mg of klonopin split (90mg of adderall daily), My cravings went down 90 percent, my mood increased, motivation, the feeling of living , and enjoyment in doing even boringsom tasks, all came back.

Now, Iv taken 3 nice Holiday, one week vacation from ADDERALL. 5 days were basicaly bedridden and when i did get out of bed and tried to do things, I wanted to just run right back. Like my head was empty. Yes, it wasnt like I was going to die, like coming off opiates, but then again i loose 3-5 days of work, and my computer business and research.

But the funny thing about adderall, for me, is I can literally stay on my computer for 12 hrs!, yes, with some meal breaks and such, but never before did I spend more than 1-2 hrs online, and actually I was just chatting and stuff, now its more research.

I guess, taking some good supplements such as L-Tyrosine, Omegas, sodium bicarbonate, DXM, Magnesium,L-theanine helps block glutamate channels.

thank you again, please write back.

 

Re: Adderall pros and cons

Posted by alienatari on April 26, 2005, at 21:53:05

In reply to Re: Adderall pros and cons, posted by geno on April 26, 2005, at 18:45:03

Just wondering but how would DXM (dextromethorphan) which is a cough suppressant and a Dissociative anasthetic at higher doses help? Wouldnt that be more recreational use? Just wondering thats all, not judging you or anything. I use to use dex myself when I was younger. Take care.

> Ok, thanx for your advise. Im sorry that I may have explained my problem wrong. I forgot to add, Im a recovering opiate addict, never used cocaine, but i must say when my doctor diagnosed me with ADD , which my symtoms are basically lethargic type depression, Refractory depression, but I basically had no zest for life feeling, or moresoe "reward deficient syndrome" as more like my dopaminergic system , limbic, VTA, or prefrontal cortex regions, dealing with dopamine i can bet you was the majority of my problem.
> What I mean exactly, I thought for years it was serotonin or GABA, constantly trying SSRIS, SNRIS and desipramine , etc, with no avail.
> As soon as i started the ADDERALL with 1mg of klonopin split (90mg of adderall daily), My cravings went down 90 percent, my mood increased, motivation, the feeling of living , and enjoyment in doing even boringsom tasks, all came back.
>
> Now, Iv taken 3 nice Holiday, one week vacation from ADDERALL. 5 days were basicaly bedridden and when i did get out of bed and tried to do things, I wanted to just run right back. Like my head was empty. Yes, it wasnt like I was going to die, like coming off opiates, but then again i loose 3-5 days of work, and my computer business and research.
>
> But the funny thing about adderall, for me, is I can literally stay on my computer for 12 hrs!, yes, with some meal breaks and such, but never before did I spend more than 1-2 hrs online, and actually I was just chatting and stuff, now its more research.
>
> I guess, taking some good supplements such as L-Tyrosine, Omegas, sodium bicarbonate, DXM, Magnesium,L-theanine helps block glutamate channels.
>
> thank you again, please write back.

 

Re: Adderall pros and cons geno

Posted by Mr.Scott on April 27, 2005, at 2:04:07

In reply to Re: Adderall pros and cons, posted by geno on April 26, 2005, at 18:45:03

How long have you been at this routine?

 

Re: Adderall pros and cons geno

Posted by vivi on April 27, 2005, at 19:08:20

In reply to Adderall pros and cons, posted by geno on April 26, 2005, at 12:56:45

> Hello, Id like some advise, yet in my own mind I always think I know or think i know what is going on and how to combat such.
> My problem im having is sorta a catch 22. Im perscribed 30mg of adderall 3x daily. Thats a Total of 90mg a day. Also, For breakthrough anxiety .5mg of klonopin 2x daily, which i feel is just enough, some days maybe .5mg more.
> Lexapro 10mg in the am, but just to keep the seratonin replenished, or whatever I mean .
>
> Ok, I find that im not abusing the adderall, but im staying up 24 hrs, easy, say I do take my dose 6 hrs apart, usally 30mg about noon, 6pm, and midnight. Now Im a night owl, so I do sleep in the day, but I find myself, not tired and just taking another dose like 6am, and having no problem staying up for at least another 7hrs.
>
> Now, I know im dependant on adderall, because, it did change my life so much , positive way, Im more outgoing , I work harder, think more, Not speedy, but just feel right, non depressed, though sometimes if i dont sleep right, ill get some ups and downs. I find if i stay up like 24 hrs or more, then when i go to bed, i sleep long, and wake up groggy. ONe time i stayed up 2 days and boy , the next 2 days were a rollicoster ride , up and down, depressed, lethargic, even when taking my doses. That I learned not to do, and I know that 16 hrs is enought, but i seem to take that 4th dose just to stay up and get more done.
>
> Now when I take say 2 days off usually right before my refill, Im bed ridden. I cant or dont even feel like getting up for nothing. I sleep, wake up , lay there sleep, wont answer my phone, da da da. LIke I have to have it, which is scary, but I know its powerfull, and its good points are outweighing any bad.
>
> I guess my question is has anyone had such problem, and really became dependant, not abusive, like taking 80mg, but just finding you have to take your dose every 6 hrs every day, and thinking of stopping is scary and depressing, because you end up in bed. I sometimes lower the dose and take caffiene 200mg with it, just to ease up on the higher dose, but I sure can tell if i go from 30 to 20mg. 15mg is nothing.
>
> well thanks for any future imput.

I take 15 mg of Dexedrine twice a day, but I find that I only need to take 15 mg once a day. I also get really tired when it wears off and I just want to crash. If I do take the other does, I can't sleep and then I have to take Ambien. My M.D. wanted to try Adderall XL but I decided to stay with Dex because I was so worried about weight loss. (High metabolism) My Doc even weighed me before he put me on and after the first month to make sure I wasn't losing too much weight. Do you have appetite suppression? I ususally do not take the Dex on the weekends and that helps for when I start back on Monday.


 

Re: Adderall pros and cons geno

Posted by Maxime on April 28, 2005, at 16:32:02

In reply to Adderall pros and cons, posted by geno on April 26, 2005, at 12:56:45

I don't understand. Why would you take your first dose at noon? Do you do shift work? You can't take 30 mg at midnight and expect to sleep. But you also said sometimes you take it at 6am. So are you taking more than 90 mg a day?

You should try the XR version and maybe have some tabs for the late afternoon. You shouldn't be taking it past 6pm if you are working 9-5 pm.

90 mg is a lot of Adderall.

Maxime

> Hello, Id like some advise, yet in my own mind I always think I know or think i know what is going on and how to combat such.
> My problem im having is sorta a catch 22. Im perscribed 30mg of adderall 3x daily. Thats a Total of 90mg a day. Also, For breakthrough anxiety .5mg of klonopin 2x daily, which i feel is just enough, some days maybe .5mg more.
> Lexapro 10mg in the am, but just to keep the seratonin replenished, or whatever I mean .
>
> Ok, I find that im not abusing the adderall, but im staying up 24 hrs, easy, say I do take my dose 6 hrs apart, usally 30mg about noon, 6pm, and midnight. Now Im a night owl, so I do sleep in the day, but I find myself, not tired and just taking another dose like 6am, and having no problem staying up for at least another 7hrs.
>
> Now, I know im dependant on adderall, because, it did change my life so much , positive way, Im more outgoing , I work harder, think more, Not speedy, but just feel right, non depressed, though sometimes if i dont sleep right, ill get some ups and downs. I find if i stay up like 24 hrs or more, then when i go to bed, i sleep long, and wake up groggy. ONe time i stayed up 2 days and boy , the next 2 days were a rollicoster ride , up and down, depressed, lethargic, even when taking my doses. That I learned not to do, and I know that 16 hrs is enought, but i seem to take that 4th dose just to stay up and get more done.
>
> Now when I take say 2 days off usually right before my refill, Im bed ridden. I cant or dont even feel like getting up for nothing. I sleep, wake up , lay there sleep, wont answer my phone, da da da. LIke I have to have it, which is scary, but I know its powerfull, and its good points are outweighing any bad.
>
> I guess my question is has anyone had such problem, and really became dependant, not abusive, like taking 80mg, but just finding you have to take your dose every 6 hrs every day, and thinking of stopping is scary and depressing, because you end up in bed. I sometimes lower the dose and take caffiene 200mg with it, just to ease up on the higher dose, but I sure can tell if i go from 30 to 20mg. 15mg is nothing.
>
> well thanks for any future imput.

 

Re: Adderall pros and cons

Posted by geno on May 7, 2005, at 10:45:23

In reply to Re: Adderall pros and cons geno, posted by Maxime on April 28, 2005, at 16:32:02

OK, yes, I forgot to tell, my day is night and night is day due to work, but its only till 4am, so i do enjoy coming home and staying up till dawn. But this is when im online doing computer and reading choirs.
I make sure that in a 24 hr period , I dont take more than 3, and get a good 6-8 hr nap, but I was having that problem of staying up 24hrs, then crashing, say i woke up on a saturday morning at 11am, well, I often would not go to bed till sunday mid day, or once in a great while evening, but then im heading for deprevational problems. I guess over all My problem is the dosing, before bed which doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out not to take the last dose 6 hrs before, but I can fall alspeep if i wish on adderall, and or stay up., Ya funny , but It doesnt cause much anxiety because I taper any breakthrough anxiety with .5mg of klonopin, 2x daily. Iv tried no Klonopin, and did felt just enough of uncomfortable anxiety where i did prefer the Benzo. actually I titrated .25 .5 .75. trying all. Up to 1mg. I can get away with .25 but I get 2mg white Klonopin, and making .25 can be a bit adjitating, so I just break it in 4 and take .5 every 8hrs, and some days well less, usually . But I sure can tell If i miss the adderall dose. I go through a dip, Not a crash, minor depression, loss of interest in what im doing, then, comes the tired feeling, for about 2 hrs, then if i do fight it, ill get a second wind, this is what happned one time I wanted to see how long the level would peak and drop.
But I know every dose is never the same, no matter what you take, or how much you try to stay even, because of changing brain chemistry, but 95 percent of the time, I know its working, but dont feel it, which I dont have any quams about, but sometimes its nice to maybe boost it up., and taking natural supps helps the neurons heal.

Iv even taking Ritalin at low dose with it and boy mistake. TOO over bearing. Stratterra causes a dull headache , that went out. Caffeine was the only stimulant which worked ok with it, but the dopaminergic system is so complex and very hard to figure out what receptor does what, so i just try to understand the basics, But a question in mind, The adderall, or amphetamine , would actually release Dopamine from what receptor site d1-d5? I know the claudet Nucleus or acummbens and VTA deep in the limbic system is a factor but that where im lost.
I sustpected either d2 or d3 would play a part.

Mesolimbic dopamine system does have a vast complex understanding, and Im not a neurosceintist, and its hard to follow the lit.

Also, Norepinephrine is a factor, and Iv read where regions on NE, act as a minor reward type feeling, but nothing like dopamine, but the study sounds not to correct, but Stratterra is related o reboxetine, but 2 persons have tried both, stating reboxotine was alot better. One study says dopamine was effected and one denied , just stating the NE Postreceptor blockade LIke an SSRI of NE. OH well back to reality ! lol
geno


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