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When is the on-set of Schizophrenia?

Posted by mmcconathy on January 30, 2005, at 18:39:50

Do symptoms develop during early childhood? Late Adolecence? Adulthood?

In adolecence, why does it develop so late, why didnt it develop early?

Can it develop from situations? having to be paranoid?

Thank you for your response

I need it

Matt

 

Re: added question

Posted by mmcconathy on January 30, 2005, at 18:49:27

In reply to When is the on-set of Schizophrenia?, posted by mmcconathy on January 30, 2005, at 18:39:50

Can MRI or any brain scanning device pick up abnormal changes, PET / SPECT / CAT ?

Also, say in a situation, a person had many insecurites and started started making delusions, or feelings of greatness to make up for insecurites, would this cause psychotic symotoms to arise over time?

Also my thoughts some times get "fragmented" and dont make sense, is this a sign?

Please pray this will go away, and i will be healed. I must have faith.

Thank you for anything


Matt

 

Re: added question

Posted by Spriggy on January 30, 2005, at 19:27:00

In reply to Re: added question, posted by mmcconathy on January 30, 2005, at 18:49:27

Matt,
I am praying for you right now.

I've been in a similar state here lately-- not really schizophrenic perse' but wondering if I have indeed lost my mind.
My dr. thinks I had a bad chemical reaction to my medicine and it induced this weird, head, fog, dysfunction, terrifying mind control thing. I could only describe it as mental torment.

It's a horrible feeling to not be able to escape ones own mind or find control over it. I know-- been there!
I don't know where you are with God, but cry out to Him. Ask Him to reveal Himself to you in this pit- that's what I did. I just needed some assurance and faith that He would not leave me in this state.

Have you talked to your doctor? Are you on any medication that could be inducing this?? Or possibly have you tried medicine to stop this?

There is help out there- don't worry, you won't have to live this way.

Read Isaiah 43!

I am praying.

 

Re: When is the on-set of Schizophrenia?

Posted by Maxime on January 30, 2005, at 20:13:48

In reply to When is the on-set of Schizophrenia?, posted by mmcconathy on January 30, 2005, at 18:39:50

I was wondering where you had gone and was beginning to worry.

The on-set is around your age actually give one or two years.

Why are you asking this question?

Can I be honest with you? You have displayed symptoms of schizophrenia and I suspected you were going through a psychotic break. If you are predisposed to mental illness, then the type of stress you have been going through would bring it on.

I really think you need to sit down with your pdoc and discuss at length everything you have been feeling and doing etc.

Have you managed to stop taking the stimulants?

Maxime

> Do symptoms develop during early childhood? Late Adolecence? Adulthood?
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> In adolecence, why does it develop so late, why didnt it develop early?
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> Can it develop from situations? having to be paranoid?
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> Thank you for your response
>
> I need it
>
> Matt

 

Re: When is the on-set of Schizophrenia?

Posted by Maxime on January 30, 2005, at 20:21:57

In reply to When is the on-set of Schizophrenia?, posted by mmcconathy on January 30, 2005, at 18:39:50

http://www2.psy.mq.edu.au/~tbates/236/schizophrenia/DSM_schizo_crit.html#dsm-schiz-criteria

Take a look a this site. It might help you.

Maxime

 

Re: When is the on-set of Schizophrenia?

Posted by mmcconathy on January 30, 2005, at 20:39:44

In reply to Re: When is the on-set of Schizophrenia?, posted by Maxime on January 30, 2005, at 20:13:48

I try to deny, and say to myself, no, i am normal, all this will leave.

I have disturbing thoughts, yes, random thoughts of situations that connect to other situtions, hard to explain.

Adderall has an opposite effect on this, it increase vigilence, and more alertness on my thoughts, in the order they come.

I dont want to go off it becuase i feel safe with it, if i lose control, it will be there.

I take respirdal, it helps....... but cant belive this happened, why! i was fine and then it just started.

I have been having very bizzare dreams, wake up and still thinking bizarrly, i have to have a panic attack to get back to reality.

I try to deny it, but its better for me to know of it to be aware and vigilent of my thoughts and "moniter" them.

Do psychotic symptoms disappear or is a life long disorder?

Please tell me something positive.

Matt


P.S: I soon may have a SPECT or PET scan after the MRI, but it may be a while. I need to know what is going on.

 

Re: When is the on-set of Schizophrenia?

Posted by linkadge on January 30, 2005, at 21:30:07

In reply to Re: When is the on-set of Schizophrenia?, posted by mmcconathy on January 30, 2005, at 20:39:44

The Adderall, may be treating the negative symptoms of your schitsophrenia. Stimulant use in schitsophrenia is remarkably common since it can actually improve certain aspects of the disease. Ie apathy, poor cognition and exectutive function.

It may be that a stimulant can help treat certain aspects of the disorder. I would look into the omega 3 fatty acids DHA/EPA. They can also treat some of the aspects of the disease.

Linkadge

 

Re: When is the on-set of Schizophrenia?

Posted by med_empowered on January 30, 2005, at 23:20:03

In reply to Re: When is the on-set of Schizophrenia?, posted by linkadge on January 30, 2005, at 21:30:07

hey! for males, onset is usually in adolescence or early adulthood...think 15-early 20s. There is childhood schizophrenia as well (its rare) and late-onset schizophrenia (more common in women, but it happens). Anyway, I've been researching schizophrenia, and the whole category of illness is kind of slippery...lots of people who are bipolar or have brief psychotic disorders can be dx'd as schizophrenic. Anyway, I wouldn't fret, nor would I "monitor" myself too closely. A brain scan probably won't show anything out of the ordinary, unless it picks up drug-induced brain changes...these can come from street and RX drugs. Supposedly, schizophrenia is a life-long illness, but this is based on American data; a number of World Health Organization studies, beginning in the late 1960's, found that "schizophrenics" in poorer countries with lower use of antipsychotics often recovered, and often remained well. No one actually knows what causes schizophrenia, and the term appears to be applied more liberally in the united states than in europe. In addition, in the United States the poor and minorities are more likely to be labelled "schizophrenic" than are affluent whites with similar symptoms, who are often instead labelled as bi-polar or dx'd with a less severe psychotic disorder (ie, psychotic depression) and treated accordingly. Personally, I wouldn't worry too much. Try to reduce stress, maybe try some supplements, and talk to your doc if your problems interfere with your life. Should you be dx'd as schizophrenic, always, always, always get a second opinion.

 

Re: When is the on-set of Schizophrenia? mmcconathy

Posted by Maxime on January 30, 2005, at 23:23:07

In reply to Re: When is the on-set of Schizophrenia?, posted by mmcconathy on January 30, 2005, at 20:39:44

Yes, the positive thing is that you have yet to receive a diagnosis from someone in the medical field. So don't worry about these things until you know for sure.

When is you next appointment?


Maxime

 

Have you done projective tests?

Posted by Camille Dumont on January 31, 2005, at 0:18:11

In reply to Re: When is the on-set of Schizophrenia?, posted by mmcconathy on January 30, 2005, at 20:39:44

These are usually good at differentiating between really psychotic thinking and only psychotic-like symptoms.

Many things and diseases can make you go psychotic and it does not have to be a permanent thing. People under a lot of stress can have an episode and it may never happen again.

There are also a bunch of meds that can be used to control the symptoms and you can learn to recognize them better, identify what triggers them and thus have more control over them.

You should discuss your worries with your p-doc ... he might be able to have the right tests done and help you.

 

Re: Have you done projective tests?

Posted by banga on January 31, 2005, at 10:45:59

In reply to Have you done projective tests?, posted by Camille Dumont on January 31, 2005, at 0:18:11

One thing I wanted to say is that it's great that you seem to sense when your thinking is getting a little off. This is important in ANY mental illness, as it means you can work to help yourself. A person with depression has thoughts I am ugly I don't do anything right--they can counter these thoughts with evidence to the contrary. When they are deeply depressed, any ability to reflect and say it's OK it is a disease, it will get better.
For you, you notice your thoughts get distorted. You asked whether a stressful situation can make it worse...definately! So since you notice this, you can do something about it--get out of the situation, do something to lessen stress. If there are people around you that you feel you can trust, you can do "check-ins"--see if how you are seeing tinngs is acurate or not. So regardless of your diagnosis--your self-awareness is priceless in having an edge on working through tough times. I encourage you to try and keep stress down, it will help.
I can understand your fear about what this may mean in the long run--but as people said illness can go up and down for many people. I do encourage you to reach out to your doctor, if he/she is good they should be able to help. Doing a full assesment with a psychologist, with testing (an MMPI-2 and projective) would be very helpful in understanding what is going on. I can imagine you might even fear finding out what IS going on...but remember, the more you and your pdoc understand what is going on, the more you can be helped, and helped to find meds that help you feel more in control. TRy and not worry too much about diagnosis, these days the lines are blurred, the main thing is understanding your symptoms and treating them--we all here have one type of chemical imbalance or another, and all try to help each other find what might help get it right again.
Good luck, remember you are not alone and there is help.

 

Re: im stable for now

Posted by mmcconathy on January 31, 2005, at 11:14:28

In reply to Re: added question, posted by mmcconathy on January 30, 2005, at 18:49:27

Thank you for all your inputs, i need insight from other people that can give a diffrent view.

This happens usally out of the blue, sort of feel loose, and random thoughts will appear, if i dont react and tell myself, get ready for anything, it will continue to get more disorganized, so in a way, panic helps to get back.

Adderall when at 60mg didnt worsen it at all, it starts to reieforce thought patterns and corrects illogical thoughts, i feel in control of my mind. This is ironic, i know, since amphetamine can aggrevate psychotic symptoms, but not with me.

I discussed this with my psychiatrist, very in-depth describing how it works. When i start to feel "loose", i feel safe with having the adderall there to "pull together" my relations. Sorry, its complicated to explain.

My samples of Respirdal do tune out bizzare thoughts, but i feel mentally "numbed" and cant really express emotion, and does make it hard to keep up with paper work.

I need to find a treatment for now, until i know Chirst will heal me.

THanks for anything, at least there is someone who i can tell, and dont feel alienated.

God Bless


Matt


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