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Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Phillipa on February 1, 2021, at 9:25:09

Anyone received one of the available Covid vaccines. Please share experience both good and bad. And which vaccine did you receive? Or did you decide not to get one and if so why? And finally who has had Covid? Thanks Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 1, 2021, at 15:04:54

In reply to Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Phillipa on February 1, 2021, at 9:25:09

my mom got one, the first vacination but there's two of them you have to get....im scared to get one, it would give me another disorder or change body functions

about 4 people in family have covid and friends, they said hospitals are filled up and covid is miserable during the time you have it. They also said somoething there may be another pandemic after covid, one thing after another

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by linkadge on February 1, 2021, at 16:58:12

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 1, 2021, at 15:04:54

Hey RJ,

Don't be afraid of the vaccine. There is absolutely no evidence that it causes and long term issues.

Also, getting COVID CAN cause long term issues. It can go into your brain and linger there causing memory issues, fatigue or many other issues.

Linkadge

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? linkadge

Posted by Phillipa on February 1, 2021, at 17:11:48

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by linkadge on February 1, 2021, at 16:58:12

Link what about the inflammation response causing autoimmune disorders? Specifically from the Pfizer & Moderna vaccine. I consider you a wealth of knowledge. Did you receive a vaccine? And given a choice would you chose Pfizer, Moderna, or the J&J one that is one shot only. Being older it is of concern to me. Thanks Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa

Posted by sigismund on February 1, 2021, at 19:09:37

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? linkadge, posted by Phillipa on February 1, 2021, at 17:11:48

Well, 30 odd old people did die in Norway, though I have no idea how frail they may have been. That was the Pfizer vaccine?

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? sigismund

Posted by Phillipa on February 1, 2021, at 20:07:46

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa, posted by sigismund on February 1, 2021, at 19:09:37

Sigi they died from the vaccine or from Covid? How are the Covid cases there? Did you get vaccinated? Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 1, 2021, at 20:53:16

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? sigismund, posted by Phillipa on February 1, 2021, at 20:07:46

couple people i know are fine, they got the vacinne - friends, my mom etc - but...i serious don't want to say this, but some say it causes discreet illness, but treats covid also, but it hasnt been tested, some say it's discreet poison, but my mom is doing fine. She got it, nothing, she's fine. Conspiracy theroeis that it's population control, or getting people vacinated with a certain kind of drug. Ok there i said it. That's why im scared to get it, my mom has scheduled me to get the vacinne, said have to have it if i live with her, im gonna cancel appointment. Just rely on faith and god, superntual protect from virus.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 1, 2021, at 21:17:04

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 1, 2021, at 20:53:16

Not sure if we are gonna recover from covid, and then have another pandemic.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by alexandra_k on February 2, 2021, at 1:32:53

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 1, 2021, at 21:17:04

i don't think it is very plausible to think they would try and control the population by putting things into vaccinations.

there would be much easier ways of controlling populations than doing that.

for example, legalising marajuana or putting things in the public drinking water.

i am not afraid of the vaccination in that sense.

it is hard to know the cause of death of old people with multi-organ system failure. everybody has gotta die of something at some point and it can be hard to know with cause of death if someobody died before their time or if it was their time to go. hard to know when we hear about old people dying who have been vaccinated, i mean to say. if they died of covid. if they died of vaccination. if they died of one of their organs giving up. if it was their time to go. maybe they would have died without vaccination and without covid even. people do die. maybe it was just their time to go.

don't know until you get large numbers of people looking for pattern...

like how you can't predict when an individual atom will decay but can predict the half-life of a sample. can't predict when an individual will get sick or die but can see patterns in deaths going up or down and then say that is correlated with various things...

they are saying that people with auto-immune disorders likely shouldn't be vaccinated. but that's across the board -- nothing particular to the covid vaccinations.

i think that the moderna vaccine is an rna vaccine and i think it is the first rna vaccine ever to be made. i think. i think it is new technology. there aren't other rna vaccinations. we don't know how rna vaccinations will fare compared to other (previous) technologies. compared to live attenuated vaccination and the other ones...

it took a lot of money to develop the rna technology.

but now it's made. it's done.

and we can see if it's a better idea of a vaccine for certain groups (maybe for people with auto-immune conditions or maybe not -- i don't know enough to know why it might be better / worse or even if we have sensible ideas or if we are genuinely not knowing)...

not vaccinations (rna vaccinations) will likely follow. for different viruses. yep.

yeppers.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k

Posted by Phillipa on February 2, 2021, at 9:05:32

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on February 2, 2021, at 1:32:53

So far the evidence being told on news and other sources including my own Doctor who worked on the Moderna vaccine in their Clinical Trials stated at my appointment with me the he "Fears more about what he knows Covid does than what he doesn't know about the vaccine. Most who live around me have already had their first vaccination. And only side effect sore arm for a day or so? Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa

Posted by linkadge on February 2, 2021, at 10:42:23

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? linkadge, posted by Phillipa on February 1, 2021, at 17:11:48

>Link what about the inflammation response >causing autoimmune disorders? Specifically from >the Pfizer & Moderna vaccine.

There are lots of things that cause inflammation which don't cause autoimmune disorders. Do you have any evidence that these vaccines (or others) have any connection with autoimmune disorders? Some people have an autoimmune reaction to vaccines but this doesn't mean the vaccine is causing an autoimmune disorder. Most of those reactions are associated with pre-existing allergic issues.

Again, I would not hesitate for a second to get the COVID vaccine (unless there was published scientific evidence to the contrary). The risks (including cardiac and psychiatric) from COVID which can linger for months and may be permanent far outweigh any risks.

Of course, I am always open to new information, but there is just no scientific evidence of a causal link to autoimmune issues.

Also (just to add) they've shown that people with Schizophrenia (for some reason) are at much higher risk of death from COVID vs. the regular population. One hypothesis is that there are pre-existing genetic differences in the immune system which makes it particularly vulnerable to COVID.

Also, the vaccine may cause temporary inflammation (as it is designed to do to activate the immune system) but COVID can cause a MASSIVE increase in inflammation (which can damage the heart, brain etc).

Linkadge


 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 2, 2021, at 11:00:44

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on February 2, 2021, at 1:32:53

hey alex

alot people i know are fine, with the vacinne...but some people i know told they arnt getting it, there have been adverse thinigs happening, but it's not like controlling the populations with a drug, no, but it's coming close in US. Freedom of speech in US has basically gone bye bye, anything you say will have consequences, which back in 20th century it was diffrent. It's not as free speech has gone away, but whatever you say, free speech is gone not by law, but by society in US

i didnt mean vacincation in controlling things, but still there are speculations of it, control is the main thing, and making population a manageble size. Ok that's it, i won't say no more could get in trouble. But yeah, free speech here is defiently, but people on net read what we post. This is free ground place, social media inst

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? linkadge

Posted by Phillipa on February 2, 2021, at 11:41:31

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa, posted by linkadge on February 2, 2021, at 10:42:23

Link you are 100% correct. When I initially wrote this thread I had misread the article in Medscape newsletters I get. Covid causes or can cause autoimmune disorders. Hence the failure of multi-system organs also. I am becoming as educated as I can with lack of long term studies before I myself get the vaccine scheduled to receive in SC on March 15th. I could get one before this but not quite ready. I want to feel inside like the people I know that live where I do that they feel a sense of relief now that vaccinated. Since the Pfizer & Moderna work on the viral spike how does the Johnson & Johnson vaccine differ? Should be released here within a few weeks one shot only. Are they vaccinating in Canada? Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by alexandra_k on February 2, 2021, at 13:18:50

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? linkadge, posted by Phillipa on February 2, 2021, at 11:41:31

These are scary times for freedom of speech, yeah.

One concern that I have heard is that anti-bodies have the potential to bind not just to the pathogens that we want them to bind to -- but to parts of the persons body (which is one form of auto-immune disorder).

So, for example, it's important to take anti-biotics for a Streptococcal infection because otherwise if the body makes a lot of anti-bodies against the Streptococcal those antibodies have a tendancy to not only bind Streptococcal but also bind to some protein on heart valves. That means the body's own immune response to Streptococcal involves an auto-immune response to heart valves. It destroys the heart valves and that creates problems.

(I actually need to check whether the antibodies are complexing with a protein in the heart valve or whether the natural killer cells are destroying them since the bacteria-antibody complexes are stuck to the valves and not getting to the spleen maybe it's more that that the mechanism for removal of the anti-body-bacteria complexes can't get them without destroying surrounding tissue).

But the point is that the body makes anti-bodies... And then the response to those anti-bodies is too broad. Not just the anti-body-pathogen complex is targeted for destruction.

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There are other auto-immune disorders like that, too. The body can start making anti-bodies that bind to proteins on red blood cells, for example. Then the red blood cells are destroyed (along with the bound antibody) by the macrophages in the spleen resulting in anemia.

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So there is a concern that when anti-bodies are produced by the body they might have un-intended targets and bind to things more broadly than just the pathogen antigen that they are supposed to.

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So... One might have a concern that with any immunisation that is intended to get the body making antibodies to protect against pathogen... That the body might produce antibodies that decide to attach to things that they shouldn't. And that there be destruction of important or crucial self-tissue. Or.. that the body might produce a lot of antibodies and the excess antibodies might (because of overcrowding) start to fold weirdly or congeal weirdly or something like that... Causing problems (a sort of a prion or prion-like problem)...

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Pre-disposing factors?

There are particular genotypes that have been found to be associated with very very strong immune responses (over-active immune responses). So there's a genetic test for susceptibility to develop auto-immmune disease.

There are also signs that someone is susceptible. People who have a few different signs... Lupis... Allergies... (Certain particular kinds of allergies)...

Being older female puts people at higher risk of auto-immune disorders. They reckon it's got something to do with having had kids (but I might be making this up actually -- that might just be my theory). Exposure to foetuses is a risk factor for developing an anti-body response to the foetus... And to something in the foetus that also goes on to target oneself...

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But these disorders are RARE. If people didn't get vaccinated because they were worried about these rare conditions... It would be a bit like not leaving the house because one was afraid of being struck by lightening or being hit by a bus.

That being said... Maybe don't go out in a lightening storm... Maybe cross at the cross-walk... Maybe if you have a history of auto-immune problems have a chat to your doctor about what dose of vaccine is right for you (if vaccine is right for you at a very early stage)...

That's all I mean to say with that, really.

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I looked into the mRNA vaccine development thing a bit more after my post yesterday... They have been in development for a while but various things they needed to figure and they needed a cash injection by the seems of it -- which they surely got.

The lofty goal is that with mRNA technology they can make very very particular vaccinations very very quickly. So they can not just choose to vaccinate against a few strands of flu every year, they can develop more strands. They can develop new updates in real time (with respect to targeting variants). That's the idea.

I suspect that the next thing will be learning about how specific we need to be with the vaccines so we don't produce auto-immune disorders en mass (I mean if we start wanting to vaccinate each person against every pathogen we've ever discovered)...

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by alexandra_k on February 2, 2021, at 13:30:13

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on February 2, 2021, at 13:18:50

So the idea isn't that vaccinations CAUSE disease or disorder...

But the vaccination could serve as a stimulus or trigger for a pre-existing susceptibility...

And one way of viewing it is that that is a very very very rare situation.

And that seems true.

But another way of viewing it is that in the rare cases where it happens it perhaps isn't random -- we know that certain people are susceptible (older females with certain genotypes that typically result in a variety of allergy symptoms and features of various auto-immune diseases).

So... We can certainly warn those people. And I believe they are doing that...

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The idea of vaccines CAUSING the disease they were supposed to prevent was something that did in fact happen once upon a time with live attenuated vaccinations (that is the only type of vaccination that could result in causing the disease that is supposed to be prevented). That is because live attenuated vaccines deliver a weakened strain that the body is supposed to have the chance to develop an immune response to. But some people with very very weak immune responses werent' able to mount a response against the weakened strain so they got sick.

That's why the US stopped giving people the live attenuated polio vaccine (some people actually got polio from the vaccine) and only approves a different type or style of vaccination, now, that has no possibility of causing Polio to anybody at all.

But of course there will be risks of differnt things with the new type of vaccine...

Because there always are risks involved with any medical intervention.
And there are always risks involved with not having any medical intervention as well...
And everybody has got an opinion...
And everybody has got a body.
So everybody should be able to decide what happens with the body they've got.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on February 3, 2021, at 1:09:32

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa, posted by linkadge on February 2, 2021, at 10:42:23

So Covid often has psychiatric side effects? In young people? I guess we can all agree that we dont need that.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on February 3, 2021, at 2:55:49

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa, posted by linkadge on February 2, 2021, at 10:42:23

You don't know that. That is what you are told.

> Of course, I am always open to new information, but there is just no scientific evidence of a causal link to autoimmune issues.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on February 3, 2021, at 3:00:31

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 3, 2021, at 2:55:49

You don't have any evidence one way or the other. You are told about evidence and you can't check it yourself.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on February 3, 2021, at 13:13:42

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 3, 2021, at 3:00:31

I'm sorry I overdid it a bit here

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? rjlockhart37

Posted by linkadge on February 4, 2021, at 6:44:51

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 2, 2021, at 11:00:44

Hey RJ

If everybody got the vaccine, COVID would likely end and everybody could get back to normal.

Unfortunately, many people (fueled by gross misinformation) will avoid the vaccine, allowing the virus to mutate. This will only prolong the suffering for everybody.

The risk of having an adverse reaction to the vaccine is significantly lower than the risk of adverse reactions to COVID.

I know people want to sum it up to government control yadi-yada, but honestly I applaud a firm government where a firm government is required. Covid is one of those instances.

United we live. Divided we die.

Linkadge


 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa

Posted by linkadge on February 4, 2021, at 6:48:21

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? linkadge, posted by Phillipa on February 2, 2021, at 11:41:31

Canada is vaccinating, although at a slower pace than in the US.

Again, if the evidence were to change, then yea, I might reconsider. But the reactions to the vaccine are few and far between.

I mean, some people have an anaphylactic reaction to lamotrigine. However, this is not a reason to avoid trying it (if it could prove beneficial).

Most of the medications we take (on a daily bases) are far more risky (on paper) than the COVID vaccine.


Linkadge

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k

Posted by linkadge on February 4, 2021, at 6:59:25

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on February 2, 2021, at 13:18:50

>One concern that I have heard is that anti->bodies have the potential to bind not just to >the pathogens that we want them to bind to -- >but to parts of the persons body (which is >one form of auto-immune disorder).

I'm noticing a trend here. People who say they don't want the vaccine are saying ..... "I've heard ....". There's a lot of misinformation out there. People say a lot of uneducated and uninformed things. Those things travel and get passed on by people who don't want to cognitively challenge them.

Think of it this way. How much misinformation is there about antidepressants out there? Many of us take them. Many of us depend on them. If you trusted a redit newsgroup for your advice on antidepressant safety, then you'd just run for the hills. Of course there are risks and unknowns, but all of this needs to stay in perspective.

Again, many people here take lamotrigine. It can cause severe dermatological reactions. However, it is not causing an autoimmune disorder. It is simply a reaction (likely due to some yet-unidentified genetic variations). Most people who have a reaction to lamotrigine recover just fine once the drug is removed. Yeah, some die, but it's extremely rare in proportion to the number of people that benefit.

If you had published scientific research, then of course, would take a look. A vaccine does not activate the immune system in perpetuity. It briefly activates the immune system so that antibodies can be produced.

Here's another way to think of it. Every single time you have a cold or flu (or any infection) you immune system is activated!! Does this mean you develop an autoimmune disorder because the antibodies produced start attacking your body? Of course not. Autoimmune disorders are poorly understood, but there is no established link to vaccines.

Linkadge


 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by linkadge on February 4, 2021, at 7:11:24

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on February 2, 2021, at 13:30:13

>So the idea isn't that vaccinations CAUSE >disease or disorder...

>But the vaccination could serve as a stimulus or >trigger for a pre-existing susceptibility...

>And one way of viewing it is that that is a very >very very rare situation.

Exactly. There are huge differences in genetics which (some day) may explain why some people react certain ways to certain things.

Most people can eat peanuts just fine. Some people have an anaphylactic reaction to peanuts and die. However, this is rare and is not a reason to ban or avoid peanuts entirely. Most people who have a reaction can take epinephrine and recover just fine. The peanuts did not cause the autoimmune disorder - they triggered it. In fact some studies show that early life exposure to peanuts actually reduces the risk of later reactions. Yes, peanuts caused the reaction, but they did not cause the susceptibility to the reaction. In other words, peanuts weren't the cause, they were the trigger in susceptible individuals. What is causing the rise in peanut allergies? Who knows. But there are a kazillion more industrial chemicals in our bodies than there were a few decades ago. Any one of them could be the reason.

Linkadge



 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? linkadge

Posted by Phillipa on February 4, 2021, at 9:15:49

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa, posted by linkadge on February 4, 2021, at 6:48:21

Link you are so very knowledgeable and always have been. Seems that some States here are much slower to vaccinate than others are. I wrote my endo whose RN said to get the vaccine in SC since I do have an appointment here mid March. Seems that the event at the Panther's Stadium where many thousands of people were vaccinated last weekend used up the supply allotted to NC. As for the immune response was informed the the older a person is the less robust the immune system is. Hence those that live with family around where I live don't experience side effects at all. So this means that the vaccine doesn't work as well in them. So far no one that lives in the homes here had a reaction other than a sore arm to the first vaccine inoculation. But with the second dose if your body produced antibodies than feeling tired, achy, is a good thing. Is this your understanding also? Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on February 4, 2021, at 16:02:39

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? rjlockhart37, posted by linkadge on February 4, 2021, at 6:44:51

I believe you, but is it taken into account that not everybody will get COVID?

> The risk of having an adverse reaction to the vaccine is significantly lower than the risk of adverse reactions to COVID.


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