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Re: Lou's request for clarification-awppbobaluma

Posted by bulldog2 on May 24, 2008, at 19:16:45

In reply to Lou's request for clarification-awppbobaluma bulldog2, posted by Lou Pilder on May 24, 2008, at 10:45:42

> > > The spiritual existence interacts with your spirit which allows it to tap into its mind revealing the beauty of the universe with its billions of stars with several of them having planets with various life forms. Your spirit is bedazzled by the love interaction and unison of all souls within this community working toward the further development of this vast amazing universe. Way off in the distance you are directed to a tiny speck within the great expanse circling a star to which you are drawn and you recognize this speck to be the earth where your people reside.
> > >
> > > You are shown mans millennium long struggles to be the correct ways of having their souls get into Heaven; this spiritual community that you are now experiencing that man has called God. You see the beginning of mankind; several groupings develop with each claiming to know the correct way to God. Dispute escalates to a point where ill will causes men to kill each other in the name of God; millions are annihilated over time, you see sufferings and more killing to the point where this gruesomeness sickens you.
> > >
> > > It is time for mankind to reassess its definition of God and what constitutes God, or the Intelligent Designer. Faith has existed since the beginning of man and will exist until man's extinction. Spirituality, faith and believing in God does not necessarily equate to subscribing to a hierarchy; this idea, IMHO, will be eliminated as man eliminates its superstitions. A logical, rational, modern God is a spiritual unity that is self-sustaining and needs nothing from mankind.
> > >
> > > Transcendology is a tenet of spiritual transcendence that asserts that truthfulness and rationality in religions are truths that can be substantiated by science or those that can not be proven to be incorrect. It dictates that spiritual interaction is only possible between the Spirit of God and the spirit of man; claims of supernatural acts performed by physical or spiritual beings in the physical universe are not prudent.
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> > > If Transcendology is accepted by religions, they become "rational religions".
> > >
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> > Most organized religions as practiced today have lost the true message of the prophets or have misinterpreted them. I'm reading a book by Eckhart Tolle "A New Earth" that is giving me a new perspective on a spiritual life. He belives devine consciousness is within us and we are part of an infinite consciousness. However we have constructed egos which are very limiting and have identified with ego as self. Once we learn to disconnect from ego as self we can experience the infinite consciousness.Another benefit of this is letting go of the insanity of the world (group ego consciousness).
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> bulldog2,
> You wrote,[...Most organized religions...have lost the true message of the prophets or have misinterpreted them...]
> I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here and have the following concerns. If you could reply to the following with the requested clarification, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> A. In your statement,[...Most organized religions...], the generally accepted meaning of {most} is the majority. This could mean that a little over one-half of the organized religions, according to your thinking,could fall into that catagory. I ask:
> 1.Could you list which of those that fall into the catagory, in your thinking, of {most}? If you could, then I could respond accordingly.
> B.In your statement,[...have lost the true message...], could you post here:
> 2. The authority that you use, if any, to write that statement?
> C. In,[...the prophets...], could you post here a list of the prophets that you are referring to? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> D. In ,[...misinterpreted them...], could you post here what the misinterpretation is? If you could, then I could have the oportunity to respond accordingly.
> Lou
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Really can't even begin to answer your questions. You have to read his book to make a judgement for yourself. However the fact that we are fighting holy wars in the 21st century tells many that something is wrong (at least in my mind and many other minds). There should only be one reality in the end yet your major religions claim they have the ultimate truth. I don't know that I can intellectualize my feelings as I'm not that astute. However the bitterness and hatred that many feel for people of other faiths tells me we have lost the way. Did Jesus really intend that wars should be fought in his name? I mean just look at what is being done in the name of religion. Religion should bring sanity and peace into our lives not the insanity and chaos we call earth. That's what leads me to the conclusion we are not interpreting the lives of the prophets as they might have intended. I really cannot say more than read the book "a new earth" and judge for yourself.

 

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