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Lou's reply to Dena--revlperspc Dena

Posted by Lou Pilder on May 20, 2008, at 4:23:53

In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Dena-milnum Lou Pilder, posted by Dena on May 14, 2008, at 0:53:32

> Would that time period be the same as the millennium...? Just wondering -- I see the parable the same way you do. And I see the meaning of "eternal punishment" really being (in Greek), "age-abiding/enduring rehabilitation/correction/pruning" (it seems to originally be a gardening term, kolasis, not about punishment, which would be timoris).
>
> For instance, here's how it reads in the NIV:
>
> Matthew 25:31-46 (New International Version)
>
>
> The Sheep and the Goats
> 31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
> 34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
>
> 37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
>
> 40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
>
> 41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
>
> 44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
>
> 45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
>
> 46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> And here's how it reads in Young's Literal Translation:
>
> Matthew 25:31-46 (Young's Literal Translation)
>
>
> 31`And whenever the Son of Man may come in his glory, and all the holy messengers with him, then he shall sit upon a throne of his glory;
>
> 32and gathered together before him shall be all the nations, and he shall separate them from one another, as the shepherd doth separate the sheep from the goats,
>
> 33and he shall set the sheep indeed on his right hand, and the goats on the left.
>
> 34`Then shall the king say to those on his right hand, Come ye, the blessed of my Father, inherit the reign that hath been prepared for you from the foundation of the world;
>
> 35for I did hunger, and ye gave me to eat; I did thirst, and ye gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and ye received me;
>
> 36naked, and ye put around me; I was infirm, and ye looked after me; in prison I was, and ye came unto me.
>
> 37`Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when did we see thee hungering, and we nourished? or thirsting, and we gave to drink?
>
> 38and when did we see thee a stranger, and we received? or naked, and we put around?
>
> 39and when did we see thee infirm, or in prison, and we came unto thee?
>
> 40`And the king answering, shall say to them, Verily I say to you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] to one of these my brethren -- the least -- to me ye did [it].
>
> 41Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;
>
> 42for I did hunger, and ye gave me not to eat; I did thirst, and ye gave me not to drink;
>
> 43a stranger I was, and ye did not receive me; naked, and ye put not around me; infirm, and in prison, and ye did not look after me.
>
> 44`Then shall they answer, they also, saying, Lord, when did we see thee hungering, or thirsting, or a stranger, or naked, or infirm, or in prison, and we did not minister to thee?
>
> 45`Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say to you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of these, the least, ye did [it] not to me.
>
> 46And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> What more do you want to say about this, Lou?
>
> Shalom, Dena
>
> "The unanswered questions aren't nearly as dangerous as the
> unquestioned answers."
>
> "We turn to God for help when our foundations are shaking only to
> learn that it is God shaking them." - Charles West
>
> "Naked is having no clothes on. Nekkid is having no clothes on and
> being up to something."
>
> "Our truth, when it becomes the ONLY truth, ceases to be truth."
>
> "While we're not fearful of tasting new things, we don't necessarily
> swallow all that we taste."
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dena,
You wrote,[...what more do you want to say about this...?]
What I would want to say about the parable would come from a Jewish perspective. In particular, but not limited to that the parable writes about;
A. The Kingdom
B. The nations
C. The sheep
D. The goats
E. The brethren
F. A stranger not received
G. Eternal fire
H. the right hand of God
K. others not listed
What has been revealed to me is different from what is the popular meaning of the parable. You see, the parable was given as such for a reason and was spoken to Jews and others in the context of other parables that are related. The word {nation} is a biblical word that has its own meaning in the time period of when it was written apart from what the definition of the word is in this day. The Greek is {ethnos} and in the Hebrew one can email me for that if they like.
The kingdom that is mentioned in the parable, the translation that you cited,[...inherit the reign that has been prepared for you from the foundation of the world...], speaks to before that time that the parable was spoken as being prepared from the foundation of the world. It has been revealed to me that that kingdom can be read about in the book called Danial in the scriptures that te Jews use, in a passage in chapter 2 starting at versae 44;
[...the God of heaven shall set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed...]
I could explain this from a Jewish perspective here as,[this paragraph has been redacted by the respondent].
In the scriptures that the Jews use, in Psalm 139, we read starting in verse 7, and I like the King James here;
[Whither shall I go from the spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presesnce?
If I ascend up to heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold thou art there.
If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
And if I say, Surly the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.
Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.]
In that passage I could esxplain some of the parable's meaning that has been revealed to me from a Jewish perspective which is; [this paragraph has been redacted by the respondent].
You see, the parable is about[this paragraoh has been redacted by the respondent] and could be understood in light of other parables that [this paragraph has been redacted by the respondent].
Lou



 

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