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Lou's reply to Dena-chldnvgd Dena

Posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2008, at 11:38:28

In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Dena-hidnmna Lou Pilder, posted by Dena on February 14, 2008, at 23:07:04

> Lou -
>
> We keep coming back to the overcomers ... can anyone be an overcomer? How does one overcome? What is needed to be overcome?
>
> What is the connection between the overcomers and the Bread of Life, Word of God, who brings life to the world?
>
> Shalom, Dena

Dena,
You wrote,[...overcomers...what is needed...the connection...].
The book called revelation ends with those that overcome being with God and eating of the Tree of Life. The scriptures that the Jews use start out with God making man in his image and being banished from the garden so that he can not eat of the Tree of Life but did eat of the Tree of the knowlege of good and evil.
Man left the Garden with a nature. It is that nature of man, the nature without eating of the Tree of Life, that is part of what is involved in overcoming. In the 3erd chapter of the book called revelation in the 21st verse we read;
[...To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne; even as I also overcame and am set down with my Father in His throne...].
And in the 2end chapter, the 17th verse, we read,[...To him that overcomes will I give ...{a new name}...known only to those that receive it...].
A new name. Not the name of man. In our nature without eating of the Tree of Life, we have a nature that Jews could be led to understanding in reading their scriptures. In the book called Jeremiah, the 17th chapter, the 7th verse we read,[...Blessed is the man that trusts in the Lord and whose hope the Lord is.
For he shall be as a {tree} planted by the waters and that spreads out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat comes, but her leaf shall be green: and shall not be carful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit...].
As I read the passages from that book, I go on and in the next verse it reads,[..The heart is deceitful above all, and desperatly wicked: who can know it?...]
As a Jew reading John's penned verses, the symbols stand out to me as the hidden manna, the secrets of God that can be revealed to those that seek Him and choose life. This thread was initiated by a member here asking if the bible talked about suicide. I have been answering that question. For as we go on, it has been revealed to me that there is a nature of man that he brought with him after being expelled from the garden and it is that nature that I see as what is part of what is involved in overcoming. For in the book called Jeremiah, in the 31st chapter, the 31st verse we read, and it is my conviction that the following verses are in relation to overcoming,[...Behold the days come, says the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with The House of Israel...not like the one that was made with the fathers when they were led out of bondage in Egypt, but a covenant where I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and will be their God and they shall be my people."...]
It has been revealed to me that The Tree of Life has the fruit that if one eats of it, they are released from bondage. Adam had a nature of bondage, for he was kept from eating from the Tree of Life. But one can eat of the Tree of Life now. For bread has come down from heaven. The secrets of God can be revealed, the hidden manna. We can eat of the hidden manna. We eat of the hidden manna by presenting ourselves as a living sacrifice by not being conformed to the nature that we have from not eating of the Tree of Life.
Then there is the world, and it has been revealed to me that we can overcome by not being conformed to the world that has made images that men are forced to bow down to or be killed.
Then there are powers in high places governed by the {prince} of those powers (let him that is reading understand) that we wrestle with. It has been revealed to me that if we resist those powers, they will flee from you.
It has been revealed to me that we can overcome if we abhor that which is evil and cleave to that which is good; and not to be overcome with evil, but overcome evil with good.
As I stood on the sand of the shore with the Rider, I asked what is the first thing I could do to overcome. The Rider said to me, "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you and pray for them that despitefully use you, and persecute you. That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven."
Lou

 

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