Psycho-Babble Faith | about religious faith | Framed
This thread | Show all | Post follow-up | Start new thread | List of forums | Search | FAQ

Re: Salvation used2b

Posted by rayww on April 14, 2005, at 11:31:05

In reply to Re: Salvation Dena, posted by used2b on April 13, 2005, at 22:28:09

You have explained some things that many will relate to. In fact, you have explained them better than I have ever read. Thank-you for sharing the story of your spiritual abuse. It may be significant.

In a book I am reading, ""Angels and Demons" a couple of thoughts that may relate to your experience -- someone asked: do you have children? do you love them? do you want to step in the way of harm? do you let them skatebord? God has children. He loves them (us). Because of His love for us he gives us freedom to choose for ourselves, and even lets us skateboard. He believes that we learn from our mistakes and from the mistakes of others. When we get too far removed from him, he tries to get our attention. "Blessed are those who can humble themselves without being compelled". He is certainly watching over, and will let us go on so long, but eventually he will demand our attention in His own way and in His own time through ways that he has control over.

We must remember that God sees the whole picture, and death, when it is according to his plan, and not hastened by ours, brings people home to Him. Natural disasters get the attention of the survivors, and increases compassion in the onlookers. If we die in our sins, well, no comment on that, but we have always had the warning, "today is the day to prepare to meet God". Putting off repentance is like gambling with the Lord. The stakes are high and the recovery may be very long. The next step will be far easier if we prepare while we have a body that we can master. That's the simple purpose of life according to the plan of salvation that I believe. "prepare to meet God"
rayww
(used2B Christian, would you like scripture references?)

>
> > I'm so sorry that you had that experience -- one that I imagine scarred you badly...
>
> It probably confused me but I can't tell if my confusion is a scar or if I was born this way. Maybe everybody is confused.
>
> The force by which i was indoctrinated, as I recalled after the post was irrevocably published, was usually domestic. We were at times treated as bad kids at home for no reason apparent to me, and dutiful participation in religious rites was a way of towing the line in hopes of not suffering domestic violence. Otherwise, it was a sober, considerate, polite family.
>
> Recovery, such as it is, from whatever confusion the experience might have caused involved reassessing not just the gospel, but the history of the entire publication by which we were indoctrinated. That meant reconsidering the Abrahamic construct of a chosen people. The only way I can make that seem true now, is to say, "Okay, Abe's children are god's chosen, but so are all the others." But I'm not sure that's what the documents really say in that part about all the stars bowing down to the one star.
>
> And then to make true the construct of the Hebrew royal being god's way of telling us he loves us, I need to say, "Okay, he was a very helpful fellow, as the stories represent him, but if god is all love he sent everyone here to demonstrate his love, and caused everything that happens to us to happen out of love." Then it becomes "God sent the tsunami because god loves us," and "God sent Hitler because god loves us."
>
>
> > Thanks for daring to write about your own experience. I only wish that more Christians could see how badly they represent God...
> >
> > Shalom, Dena
>
>
> The most daring thing is writing on this board, without any well-defined guidelines for style, and where almost any statement can be deemed offensive if the administrator decides so. But I don't have much to lose, so it doesn't take that much courage. Courage often arises from fatigue, so it probably indicates fatigue from trying to satisfy unreasonable caretakers. Fortunately, my original caretakers learned to be much more reasonable with me and with each other after they no longer felt responsible for me.
>
>
> p.s. If my reference to skepticism about the Abrahamic tradition, combined with the proposal that "god sent hitler" troubles you, rest assured -- if hitler and his ilk give any children of Abraham any more trouble such as they have before, I'll give my life to stop it, if that's what it takes. And I do mean ALL of Abe's children. So while I don't claim "salvation," I can't claim that I didn't learn self-sacrifice in Sunday school, which influenced me as a developing child.
>


Share
Tweet  

Thread

 

Post a new follow-up

Your message only Include above post


Notify the administrators

They will then review this post with the posting guidelines in mind.

To contact them about something other than this post, please use this form instead.

 

Start a new thread

 
Google
dr-bob.org www
Search options and examples
[amazon] for
in

This thread | Show all | Post follow-up | Start new thread | FAQ
Psycho-Babble Faith | Framed

poster:rayww thread:482296
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20050312/msgs/484127.html