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Re: How to justify pagan roots? simus

Posted by rayww on January 13, 2004, at 6:23:25

In reply to Re: How to justify pagan roots?, posted by simus on January 12, 2004, at 23:07:57

I assume, by virtue of the term, "Trinity", Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, without beginning or end, etc, that Jesus was included in the Old Testament as well as New Testament, as "the Son" part of the Trinity. Surely the Trinity didn't begin with the definition. If in fact that definition of the Godhead is true, it would have existed from the beginning of time with God, right? (In the beginning was the word and the word was with God, and the word was God) On the other hand,,,,,,if it is not true,,,,,,it could be possible that both Satan and Jesus Christ have been competing a bit here,,,,,Satan trying to be the God of this world, and overthrow Christ, who was actually for-ordained to be so.

One thing for sure, the Trinity does not include Satan, unless of course the definition is wrong. Not meaning Satan is part of the Trinity, but that he would have influenced the definition, that is, if the definition is indeed wrong.

If the definition of the Trinity is wrong, or in error, where would that leave God, the Son, and the Holy Ghost? Where would that leave faith? THis very long link (sorry I can't figure out how to shorten it) addresses these questions and provides much food for thought. Food for thought, I said, if anyone has questions.

http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates$fn=default.htm$xhitlist_q="God%20of%20Old%20Testament"$xhitlist_x=Simple$xhitlist_s=relevance-weight$xhitlist_d=$xhitlist_hc=%5BXML%5D%5Bkwic%2C0%5D$xhitlist_xsl=xhitlist.xsl$xhitlist_vpc=first$xhitlist_sel=title%3Bpath%3Bcontent-type%3Bhome-title%3Bhit-context%3Bfield%3Azr%3Bfield%3ARef


Isaiah in the Old Testament speaks about the coming of Christ as the Messiah. But he also speaks poetically in words that transcend time, words that have application for all time. Great are the words of Isaiah. Even though difficult to understand, it is all there. Isaiah was a brilliant writer, a poet like no other. He refers to both first and second comings of Christ, sometimes within the same verse.

If anyone is still trying to justify pagan roots to Christianity, think of it this way. Satan is at the other end of the rope. His main mission in the tug-o-war is to overthrow Christ. He knows if he can keep us confused as to who is who, that's all he needs to do. As the link describes, just because someone tells you that gunpowder can be grown from a seed, and even if you have all the faith in the world, to plant that seed, water it, nourish it, exercising faith as you pray, still nothing will happen because that faith is based upon an untruth. Gunpowder is not grown from seeds. On the other hand, all things centered in the real Christ, produce fruit, expand, grow, enlighten, enlarge, illuminate, awaken, and most of all, love. God is rooted in love.

How to justify pagan roots in Christianity? The only way I can see is to go back to the definition and take a closer look at that. If the definition, as described in the link, is wrong, then all of Christiandom (not the people, but the church) based upon that definition of the Trinity might be. Is the church growing or withering? Are the people loving or hating? This certainly is a valid thread, and a question that every person has need and right to figure out for themself.

I would love to hear what Dena has to say on this.


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