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Re: The 6th Gate-part 2 Lou Pilder

Posted by Cam W. on September 23, 2002, at 2:05:39

In reply to The 6th Gate-part 2, posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2002, at 21:57:39

Lou - Although you may want people to believe that you are delusional, but I really don't think that you are. The majority delusional beliefs I have heard clinically are usually far more convincing and logical (pseudo-logical?) than the tale that you are spinning here.

There is something inside of me that says you honestly don't actually believe that the story that you are telling is based on any manner of objective reality. I could be wrong, but I really don't think that you wholeheartedly believe the "7 Gates To Eternal Biss" tale that you are weaving, either.

The story's body actually makes for strained reading, which can discourage listeners (as well as those who want to believe). To me it seems that the plot and story are being made up on the spot (ie.improvised), as you are typing. I have noticed that you have been using subtle cues gleaned from other posters to garner support for what is essentially an underdeveloped storyline.

Could it be that when you came here and you boasted about knowing shortcuts to enlightenment, self-actualization, and having an "in" to be able spend eternity with your invisible master? And could it be that now, in order to save face you must try to maintain this charade.

Just to let you know, none of us here will think any less of you if you stop your story (at least until you have had a chance to think through the story, correcting the inconsistencies and flaws in logic that are glaringly obvious). Furthermore, you could take a creative writing course or two, so that you would be better able to lay out your thoughts in a concise and coherent manner.

If you are planning to do anything with your theory, the above is just a start. Also, to be truly convincing and effective, one has to sincerely believe in all aspects of the story. Better yet, rather than just relying on faith, you should see if you could come up with a hypothesis as to how some aspect of your theory operates. Then you just have to design an elegant experiment. The experiment must be designed so that other groups following your procedures and methods will arrive at the same conclusions as you profess.

Good luck with your mission ..... oh, and don't bother saving me a seat in your heaven. I ain't coming. Being a WASP by birth, I guess my culturally determined heaven would be filled with "Happy Christians" galavanting in bug-free fields, playing games like "Whose Got The Button", "I've Got a Secret, But Not From Jesus", "Name That Disciple" and the ever popular "Crusader and Moors".

To me, this heaven would be much worse than a certain Muslim sect's version of hell (eg. all that you have to drink for eternity is boiling water and pus). Hell, I ate my own cooking for a few years, and found that anything can become an acquired taste.

I do have one question that has been bothering me for several years now, and perhaps you would be able to enlighten me with your knowledge. Why is it that an omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent essence (?being?, ?non-being?, ?old man on a throne in the clouds?) would want lesser being to worship it. I would think that an all powerful being would be far more self-actualized than that.

And when this thing decides to show himself to us mere mortals, he makes statues and paintings weep, and makes stone cows drink milk. If you ask me, that pretty pathetic. Why not do that "wine and bread" thing again, and feed all of the starving children in the world. That might impress me, but I doubt that even that. Besides, most the people who I know who think that they will get to heaven when they die, are people I really do not want to spend an eternity with (and quite possibly they would not want to spend eternity with me).

I have lived a good life; I have contributed, in my small way, to help people maintain their health, and I think the world is a teeny tiny bit better off than it would have been without me. But, living a good life is not enough. Hypothetically, I could save the world from a major terrorist attack in which millions of innocent lives would have been lost; but I would not go to heaven because I did not take the lord jesus into my heart ......
...... What a crock of crap!!!!!

- Cam

DEFINITIONS:
omniscient: infinitely wise and all knowing.
omnipotent: has unlimited authority.
omnipresent: ubiquitous, is everywhere.


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