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Re: Irving Kirsch, placebos and antidepressants

Posted by babbler20 on October 30, 2013, at 21:57:56

In reply to Re: Irving Kirsch, placebos and antidepressants Phillipa, posted by doxogenic boy on October 18, 2013, at 11:03:52

> > Same thing my pdoc said that even in his opinion that ad's are more of a placebo effect. That life circumstances play more a role. Also the hope of the patient that "well now I have a med I am better".
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> Could you ask your pdoc what he thinks about Irving Kirsch's claims about antidepressants and placebo, as mentioned is this thread? Do the mental health professionals in the United States discuss this topic a lot? I am very curious about what psychiatrists say about this.
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> The placebo effect is part of the effect of every treatment for any disease. (I have never heard of a treatment that does not have a placebo effect in addition to the pharmacological effect.)
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> I have read earlier in Scientific American Mind that the reason for the high placebo responses in drug studies for antidepressants in the United States, is that some of/lots of patients in the studies weren't depressed in the first place. (I think they got money for participating in the studies.) Therefore the placebo response looks higher than it is. What do you think about this?
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> - doxogenic

Doxogenic,

I actually hadn't considered the fact that many of the patients that were given the placebo weren't depressed. This is an excellent point !


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