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Re: Larry what do you think about lithium orotate? Larry Hoover

Posted by tealady on September 2, 2003, at 20:55:41

In reply to Re: Larry what do you think about lithium orotate? Ron Hill, posted by Larry Hoover on June 2, 2003, at 8:51:48

>Glomerular filtration rate and urine flow were markedly lower in rats given lithium orotate than in rats given lithium carbonate, sodium chloride or a sham injection.

Is this the filtration rate overall is lowered by the lithium oratate, meaning I assume that kidney function is impaired?? OR the amount of lithium filtered out is lower than with a placebi...so do we have lithium in our blodd normally if we don't supplement?

<The renal lithium clearance was significantly lower, >
Lar, I only understand a glimmer of this and of the equilibrium between intra, inter cellular and blood stream and ion transfer etc..
It seems they are saying that with oratate, the kidneys do not filter out the lithium as much, and yet there is MORE lithium in the heart, kidneys and presumably other organs..like brain, thyroid etc..and the kidney WEIGHT is increased..presumably as it is not functioning as well??

<the kidney weight and the lithium concentrations in serum, kidney and heart significantly higher after injection of lithium orotate than after injection of lithium carbonate. The higher lithium concentrations could be accounted for by the lower kidney function.>

So it looks like they may be saying you do get highrr levels in the organs but the kidneys are no longer filtering the blood efficiently, so the lithium stays in the kidney, brain, thyroid, heart etc and doesn't get removed as fast?
Does this mean the kidnys themselves are not removing other things as fast also?..I'm assuming so..
I have heard many folks swear that orotates were better and the way to go..eg. calcium orotate, magnesium oratate, potassium orotate.
Does the oratate itself affect the kidneys ? and is this why the orotate form of minerals "works" better

Like should we AVOID orotates as it may harm kidney function.

For others like me who have no idea on the kidneys , I came across this, which helps explain kidbey function
http://rarediseases.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.niddk.nih.gov%2Fhealth%2Fkidney%2Fpubs%2Fglomer%2Fglomer.htm

I found this interesting as I had low albumin levels ..a tad below normal range.

I finally** got to see a neurologist yesterday at the hospital outpatients. They are going to check me out for Lupus as well as an EEG and MRI, and blood tests.
I decided NOT to go and get the blood tests yesterday as I have just been taking very large doses of camagnesium carbonate and ascorbic acid..mixed together with a little water and zinc picolinate and B6..as well as normal vits and fish oil etc I thought this may affect the blood tests , especially as one is for calc/ magnesium levels.
How long will it take after I stop my high dose
"safe chelation" regime..I have had amalgam removed and another tomorrow) before my blood levls of mibnerals return to my "normal" body levels? Would 2 weeks be OK?
** This is a direct consequence of tyrosine allowing me to actually be assertive, or is that aggressive? I phoned around to find a neurologist,booked an appointment, said I had a referral from a GP...then got one, even though he had previously actually told me he wouldn't refer me. I just typed up a list of symptoms and said we had discussed this and he was going to refer me to a different neurologist privately, he hadn't.(some cheek hey)
He had told me my tingling hands, feet, coordination, numbness, lack of muscular control, bladder etc had nothing to do with my brain and patiently explained in slow speech that these were peripheral and neurology was inside my brain...... and I was probably just hyperventilating and causing all my problems. The point is tyrosine has made me not allow myself to be content with only just being alive. and just be fobbed off. And I can see that my health needs at least looking at too, so that hopefully one day I can be better and go back to work etc,.
The last time I trialled tyrosine , I ended up phoning a dentist and demanding that they give me another "free" appointment for my $120 fee. I had paid it up at the surgery,...before going on tyrosine after he had quickly dismissed me for an emergency case and just run my OPG thru a computer, gave me a printout of my fillings and never even looked inside my mouth or answered any of my questions about filling material.
Without the tyrosine , I would just let myself get all upset..with the tyrosine I act..
I know I don't need more than the 500mg tyrosine..I could get real aggressive
Anyone else find this effect of tyrosine?
Jan


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