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Re: SAM-e: Where's that old poop thread? Colin, Ron beardedlady

Posted by Ron Hill on April 1, 2002, at 1:12:31

In reply to SAM-e: Where's that old poop thread? Colin, Ron, posted by beardedlady on March 31, 2002, at 14:06:53

> I just bought my 80 pills for $36 at Costco (Nature Made brand).

Good Ms B. Lady! I'm excited for you and eager to see if SAM-e benefits you. You got the sale price; less than $0.50 per day (if ya take 200 mg/day). Please keep us posted regarding effectiveness/ineffectiveness of SAM-e trial.

>Please tell me where to get a sublingual B12. (GNC?)

Any good nutritional store. Buy sublingual bioactive B-12 (methylcobalamin). I have one under my tongue as I type this post and I can literally feel a calming/focusing effect in my brain as it enters my blood stream. Your mileage may vary.

>Are you sure I need it with the Super B complex?

If you ask me, I'll say yes. If you ask IsoM (Isomer), she'll say no. IsoM is very knowledgeable, and I agree with everything IsoM said in her post (above in this thread), with one small but important exception. I think that the percentage of people that do not effectively absorb B-12 when it is taken orally (down-the-hatch) is much higher than that inferred by IsoM. In any case, taking extra B-12 will not harm you since, as IsoM pointed out, the body will safely eliminate any excess. However, the sublingual bioactive form of B-12 is expensive and, as such, it is a waste of money if you do not need it. Thirty tablets of 1000 mcg cost $7.95 plus tax at the nutritional store that I frequent.

If I were you I would begin your SAM-e trial by including sublingual bioactive B-12 supplementation in addition to your Super B Complex. Then after the first month or so of the trial, remove the sublingual bioactive B-12 while keeping everything else constant and see if you feel any different.

>And are you sure I don't absorb ANY of the B12 in that Super B complex?

Okay, I may have exaggerated to try to make a point. Almost everyone absorbs some percentage of the B-12 taken orally. However, based on what I've read and based on my personal experience, I am of the opinion that B-12 deficiency is widespread, especially in the subpopulation of those with a psychiatric disorder. And further, effective B-12 uptake occurs intravenously and sublingually but, in general, not orally.

>P.S. Aha, Ron! You were wrong at last! (See Iso's post about the B2, not B12.) And I'm afraid the mug is just not big enough.

Me wrong? Wouldn't be the first time, and won't be the last. Yes, I enjoyed IsoM's post. Just to set the record straight, I did not intend to give you the impression that it is specifically B-12 that causes the yellow color. Instead, what I intended to convey was that yellow pee is indicative of poor absorption of vitamins, in general, when taken in pill form. IsoM has now taught me that the yellow color is due to B-2. Thank you Isomer!

As for the mug, you need to talk to Colin. And no, we DO NOT give refunds even if the SAM-e trial is unsuccessful.

-- Ron




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