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Re: Elements of addiction jimmygold70

Posted by jay on February 16, 2002, at 6:48:01

In reply to Elements of addiction Mr. Scott, posted by jimmygold70 on February 16, 2002, at 2:13:49

Sorry, I think you are wrong, period. You have shown no citations or evidence to back up your claims. As Alan pointed out, this is VERY much the same, if not WORSE, for current antidepressants. There is now a large database in Europe containing all of the withdrawl 'hells' people have had in coming off everything from Effexor to Paxil. Ask the people on here about their Effexor and Paxil withdrawl stories.

It seems you and so many have fallen prey to the garbage that big Drug companies use as propaganda. Second, there is no way you can tell me that antidepressants, especially the newer ones, touch anywhere near anxiety and GAD.

Last, but not least, it ALSO appears people build up quite a tolerance to antidepressants, the newer ones in particular, and people seem to go to the max dose possible, and then just fall to pieces. Do a search on benzos, and people tend to take *less* over time. What I don't understand is why people want this torture of horrid side effects from a.d's, with very, very little good response (again, especially the newer ones), when a bezo does a clean, good, safe, and effective job. What about how the antidepressants kill your sex drive, turns off your most basic and beautiful desire and ability to enjoy a healthy sex life? Never mind the side effects AND the costs. People being sexually shut-off by a drug, raises some MAJOR moral and ethical questions, yet people believe it because and doctors dish these new "wonderdrugs" out.

Simple: Add it all up, and newer antidepressants are often anything but. Unless someone is into self-torture, there is no reason, NIL, to avoid benzodiazepines.

/rant

Jay


> The real big question about a drug is if you get ADDICTED to it. There are three elements of addiction:
> 1) Dependence
> 2) Tolerance
> 3) Drug-seeking behavior
>
> Tolerance (increasing the dose all the time) and drug-seeking behavior (spending time and effort getting the drug) does occur with benzos but not with Effexor. People suffering from anxiety does not have those symptoms while on either Benzos or Effexor, but others do (see Bush's daughter). Tolerance does develop in anxiety patients but it is generally limited.
>
> The dependence on Benzos compared to Effexor is much stronger. People have much harder time stopping Benzos related to Effexor albeit both have withdrawal symptoms.
>
> That is why Effexor is less addicting than Benzos. Period.
>
> Jimmy


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