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Re: David Burns-Emme OldSchool

Posted by ray on January 25, 2002, at 15:16:29

In reply to Re: David Burns-Emme, posted by OldSchool on January 25, 2002, at 11:25:47

Sorry I didn't read all this thread but noticed topic and wanted to throw in 2 cents.

I only have a few books I like, one is Burn's.
I have a (my opinion) at least 50% baseline untreated very severe SP and dysthmia. I don't think it is 100%, but somewhere between 50-100 genetic.
I think the chronicity of a given disorder and (I suppose better by idential twin studies) are good indicators of genetic involvement.

Anyhow, I still think Burn's is helpful. For severe chronic disorders I consider it a 2nd add on, not a primary.
But I think CBT and Burn's extra ideas can be very useful. I've used them myself at times with success.
Recognized ones distorted, illogical, irrational thoughts real time can be very helpful, as many of these disorted thoughts tend to be "automatic" and the person is unaware of their irrationality.

As an example (we all do it but just as example).
The statement "it's all a crock" below ....

This is a good example of "all or nothing" thinking, or "black and white" thinking.
There are no inbetween's in the statement "It's all a crock".
The statement implies something (the book's techniques) are either:

a) Totally good. 100% the best way to go.
b) Totally bad, a sham, 100% useless

A more realistic statement would be that clearly some of the techniques are helpful for some people. It is an overwhelmingly popular book and I myself who come across as pro-med and anti-therapy to most of those I talk to still feel different therapies can offer a lot of help.
Sorry not trying to critize just wanted to point out something applicable to CBT.

I noticed that I do a lot of "mind reading",
"jumping to conclusions", "should statements",
"all or nothing thinking", and a few others.
(ie; about half of the 10 main ones!!!)

True it is not science, just an approach.
However I do want to say I don't think it is a crock.
I also think it is especially useful for mild to moderate depression.

And I notice he likes Parnate best! :)

Jumping down (from box) , I have plenty of problems I have to get to work on!!! :)


> >
> > Yes, I definitely feel there`s a sort of "blame the patient" attitude about CBT. He talks a lot about doing homework; if you don`t get better it`s because you haven`t done your homework. And his dramatic success stories do indeed make me feel worse about myself, though I seem to have that problem with all self help books. Cecilia
> The problem with many talk therapies is that they simply do not work for the more severe mental illnesses. And when the therapy fails to provide the "relief" the psychology people sometimes claim it will provide, then the problem is with YOU. "Oh you didnt work hard enough in therapy." "Oh you dont want to get better bad enough." Its all a crock.
> Major depression is a neurological illness, a brain based illness and anything less is a lie. Many people who adhere to these psychological notions of severe mental illness are in serious denial. They cant face up to the hard fact that they are truly sick in the medical sense. Talk therapy is an excuse, a reason to avoid the cold hard fact that major depression is a brain based illness.
> Old School




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