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Re: Yup, packing on the pounds

Posted by on January 12, 2002, at 17:46:29

In reply to Re: Yup, packing on the pounds, posted by spike4848 on December 29, 2001, at 8:27:07

Hi Spike -

Over 8 years I spent probably 5+ choosing Nardil, 2 of those high dose alone, and 3 at low/medium dose with adjunct.

In some experiments inbetween jobs I tried varied Nardil doses of my longtime combo Nardil + Klonopin.

My "therapetic level" of each is 4.5K and 90N.
I found that at 4.5Klonopin, increasing Nardil 60+ added increasing sedation / insomnia starting at 75.
Taken alone 90 Nardil didn't cause me problem with insonnia or sedation (very activating high energy).

Anyway was just going to mention some thoughts:
I have had good luck adding stimulants to Nardil at the lower dose of 60 improving efficacy without the increasing side effects of high Nardil.

(A Doctor may or may not like these ideas). Mine had no problem if starting low and I'm careful he trusts me now.

Provigil: One of these (favorite) has been 50-100 Provigil with 60 Nardil. More alert, reduced anxiety, less fear, more confidence, more vigilance, more sociable. More activated.
Wellbutrin: I did very well (maybe better than Provigil in efficacy) adding 25-50 (very low) Wellbutrin per day with 60 Nardil. Dr.s may not like this combo but worked well for me. Similar to adding Provigil but more physical energy too. Problem for me: Hair loss and exasserbation (sp?) of 17 year scalp follicultis in remission 10 years after Accutane. Actually now on Accutane 2nd time because I find that Provigil higher and Nardil lower (I like) also can aggrevate the scalp problem so I want to get rid of that.
Dexedrine: I took this 60 Nardil once and was extremely pro-social and mood lift (now I'd call it anti-dysthmia). Boosts SE, DA and NE. I had rebound depression next day and was under impression it would not keep working long per my info I'd seen. People on this board have proven iti's possible to keep it working long run. I would consider it myself in future possibly.
Ritalin: A possibility if not too agitating. To me, effect is similar to Wellbutrin, rebound depression common though as with Dexdrine w/o sustained use or something else to prevent that.

Good luck would be interested to hear what happens:

kreg park

At 90 Nardil I didn't lower Klonopin much

...Antidepressants without luck with the exception of nardil and I have features of atypical depression, I thought it maybe possible I have mild bipolar features. So I am trying lithium still with 0.5 klonopin. Not much help either.
> Spike




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