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Re: Methadone for depression. JahL

Posted by Elizabeth on December 11, 2001, at 21:21:19

In reply to Re: Methadone for depression. Elizabeth, posted by JahL on December 11, 2001, at 19:45:30

> Hi Elizabeth. Yeah, definitely. I'll set up a free email a/c. Bear in mind it takes me a couple of days to do anything.

Heh, I can identify with you there!

> and may I say what a fine judge of character you are :)

Flattery will get me everywhere, right?

> Seriously, I doubt there's much me & my dilapitated brain could tell She Who Knows Everything Medical. But there's probably something to be gained (certainly on my part) from exchanging experiences & whatnot. There's only so much you can say here...

Well, aside from the fact that I am far from Knowing Everything Medical, the problem I'm having lately isn't exactly a medical problem -- it's more of a problem with medical people.

> > As you've probably noticed, I share your gag reflex toward talk therapy.
> Yeah, I thought I had a sympathetic audience on this thread. I won't talk to psychotherapists on principle; I despise them for reinforcing the publicly held notion that people with serious mental illness can cure themselves if only they would *try*. I'd like to see them try.

I can only assume that they make that claim to try to rationalize their failure to cure us.

> Anyway, enough of that. I'll start a debate off if I'm not careful.

Debates are fine. Even arguments are okay. It's fights and flame-wars that I could do without. :-}

> I've made this point to pdocs many times. What happens to those who are too depressed to advocate for themselves in the way I (just about) am able to? What happens to those who are w/o a decent education or who have no net access? They're often consigned to rot in brain-corroding 'day-care' centers, with no discernable treatment plan.

That's true. But even if you are educated, even if you can (at least sometimes) advocate for yourself, I think a lot of physicians believe that patients' rights aren't important -- they know what's best for us, and that's the final word.

> Users have to queue up each day for their little bottle of salvation and be thankful it lasts as long as it does...

That's the situation here too. I hear things in the Netherlands are different.

> Interesting. In the same way, for me Methadone *seems* to work better if taken as for pain.

IOW, it doesn't really last all day. So we have our answer.

> Since you ask...the guy started out as a GP (community doc) and soon developed a penchant for Pethidene.

I'm told that IV Demerol is very impressive, although short-lasting (and that Demerol is nothing special when taken orally).

> See anything you like? :-P DEXTROMORAMIDE (Palfium) & DIPIPANONE (Diconal)-"Pinkies"-seem to be the main ones. Any thoughts?

Yeah: I don't know what either of those is (although I think I've heard of Diconal someplace)!

> Let's hope St. Nick gets his act together.

Maybe he's suffering from anergic depression. That would explain a lot.





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