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carrying capacity exceeded ~~ crash

Posted by alexandra_k on December 20, 2020, at 22:09:17

i think that's likely what happened. we exceeded carrying capacity long ago and something... qualitative. a major transition. a major jump. an... event. was imminant. was for quite some time. was predictable. was inevitable given how so many tied their fates to / chose to invest in that trajectory.

the population increased and increased and increased... and more people are dying. more deaths each year. even though people are living longer there is more people about and some of those people die.

i don't know how much coronavirus is killing people. i think the exponential increase in population growth culminated in a considerable or significant jump in the deaths this year.

i think that's what happened.

the bodies were piling up. *are* piling up. more deaths than an incremental increase on last year. sure. i understand and believe that.

even when we take into account deaths resulting from immobilising people and keeping them on ventillators which weakens them, rather, so they die when they are being weaned off... so we've learned to be less agressive with ventillation interventions. and apparently the death rate has come down now that we aren't... uh... killing people. with... uh... such agressive interventions.

it is a bit hard to tell what is really going on.

so many things come into play. so many different factors.

i am not denying that wearing a face mask helps curb the spread of disease. regular flu and coronavirus and lots of other things too. i am not denying that washing your hands is a good idea. i am not denying that keeping away from overcrowded environments is a good idea. from a spread of disease / contaigon public health point of view. i am not denying the existence of Covid...

any more than i am denying the existence of mental disorder or disease in saying that a lot of that is political.

is now.

or is these days.

was it in the early days of Babble? Maybe it was... Maybe it always was... but I think it was a bit less. or the political forces were a little less important or significant or considerable or something. i guess because of the higher education and wealth etc levels of the early posters, here. If their mental health issues were due to political factors or reasons they were a bit different from many of the mainstream ones these days.

hard not to feel depressed living in a cold mouldy damp home etc.

i'm thinking... i don't remember the theorists name... there was a psychoanalytic or dynamic person who was big on people being repressed because they felt they had the part of them they showed to the world. had to put on a happy smiley face. and then a false or double consciousness with differnt things going on inside. that didn't speak to me at the time. it speaks to me more now.

the issue of 'how could the Nazi officials go to work and exterminate people like they were fruitflies? -- and then go home and play with their kids...' how could people commit such hateful atrocities during their day-job and then be warm and regular and decent human beings outside of work. or sunday christians with torture chambers conceiled in their basements. and so on...

i don't know. i did my best to split or create compartments. thinking i might fit in a little better. it wasn't about morality so much as it was about... appropriateness. at university i was upstanding. i kept drugs away from anything to do with my teaching or my work. differnt contacts. differnt worlds. parallel parts of my life. babble. i kept that distinct, too. of course there was leakage. the university people would have had access to my internet history -- but we never talked of it. and so on...

but i never really got the hang of it...

i guess i thought that the monsters might be humane at home -- sort of. but not really. there would be leakage. just a little too much force when playing with the kids. just to let them know that it was only by the grace of god they didn't murder them in their sleep like they murdered other people....

i don't know.

i never properly appreciated that New Zealand never did (as in still hasn't) come to terms with the outcome of the Cartwright inquiry. NZ doesn't accept that people have the right not to be subject to medical experimentation against or without their consent. The Medical practitioners and council of NZ doesn't accept that their own practitioners can't do just whatever they want.

They still don't accept that the stats that were kept and the conclusions that were stated ('I"m not watching these women die without doing the normal or standard interventions that the developed world all over accepts as the normal standard interventions'') were rubbish. were not justified from the stats.

He refused to treat them. He withheld treatment. He watched them die. He said they weren't dying at a higher rate. He was wrong. He was watching them die.

The New Zealand ethics people and the science people have this idea or feeling or they simply will say that what he did may have been unethical -- but was justified for the greater good. we learned things from his experiments that we wouldn't have learned otherwise.

B*llsh*t. We know what happens when you don't treat people for their sickness. Some of them do recover.. And many of them go on to die.

There's stupid.

There's none so blind as those who will not see.

There's people with eyes poked out.

We didn't learn anything from his trials -- except what a morally depraved and corrupt person he was. And the ethicists and scientists in NZ expose themselves as people who don't have a rudimentary understanding of either ethics or of science.

And now we watch maaori and pacific people get rheumatic fever because we refuse to give them the most basic of anti-biotics (telling ourselves that they won't take them anyway or telling ourselves that it's justified in the fight against antibiotic resistence)...

and we keep children in mouldy cold houses so we can measure how many years we can take off their lives by denying them WHO standards of healthy housing. they're in teh control group. no heating. no humidity control. no antibiotics. no treatment.

we just like to watch them die.

f*ck*ng psychopaths.

let them take all the first lot of vaccines.

you nkow who's going to grabbity grabbity grab them.

i'm sure they made them just for them.

it would be only fitting that they would.

it's nothing they wouldn't do if they thought of it first / if they had the power to do that.

right behind you.

yeah right.

 

Re: carrying capacity exceeded ~~ crash

Posted by alexandra_k on December 20, 2020, at 22:23:29

In reply to carrying capacity exceeded ~~ crash, posted by alexandra_k on December 20, 2020, at 22:09:17

because things had started crashing before covid.

the convention centre was set on fire to collect the insurance pay-out. because the contract was obtained by under-bidding. the aim was to make the project seem affordable so enough funds would go into it and then hold it up or whatever to extort more money out the end of it. or... burn it down. get the insurance company to fund the rebuild.

so...

so...

the trade conference will be held virtually then. microsoft rooms. there we go. no convention centre needed.

the america's cup sailing event... a lot of accommodation was built -- for teh tourists. but the tourists aren't here. that's 1 bedroom and so on apartments. for the homess. that's right. with the borders locked down. that's what it is.

it's not super flashy accommodation. it's accommodation that would never have been built without the promise of the world cup. it's been built and now there aren't any tourists. house your people. house your people. house your people.

teh new zealand yacht... they contracted out the design to europe. they couldn't even offer scholarships for some studnets to do engineering PhD's or whatever... pay them a living wage... come here and do the work here... just have to send the money off to overseas because we can't do anything in this country. there's nothing here. there's nobody home.

things were crashing down.

Italy was saying 'your med studnets came to do their internships and they paid us x amount of dollars to have their photos taken in scrubs and then they posted photos of them sightseeing and climbing mountains etc etc etc and clearly they weren't spending 2 weeks or 6 weeks or 8 weeks in the hospital doing their internship when you see how they posted pictures of themselves all around on facebook and so on'

And Otago was like 'but we've been signing off on studnets who have been doing that since forever. That's how I got my Degree'.

ANd now...

Most recently...

Apparently (apparently) someone threatened to blow up graduation. Worse than the mosque attack. If graduation was to go ahead.

Something like 8 graduation ceremonies were cancelled.

Studnets celebrated anyway. Their parents came. They dressed up. They paraded themselves around.

But no degrees were conferred. No official Degrees were handed out.

I think that's the idea.

I think maybe Dunedin doesn't have the power to confer Degrees anymore.

I suppose that's why Waikato is failing their studnets too.

Why Auckland refuses to sign off.

They don't have the authority to award degrees.

Not on the international stage.

There's nothing here.

 

Re: carrying capacity exceeded ~~ crash

Posted by alexandra_k on December 20, 2020, at 22:29:47

In reply to Re: carrying capacity exceeded ~~ crash, posted by alexandra_k on December 20, 2020, at 22:23:29

our kids don't get to graduate high school.

we don't really have high school graduates.

i'm realising.

my qualifications are a sham. valueless. meaningless.

given to someone without a high school diploma.

or equivalency...

So what do you do about that America?

______

Throw them out and start again.

Old people are stupid and should be burned at the stake and if they aren't 16 we're not interested...

________

I don't think that's likely.

___________

The quality of online content is better now...

There is content there I can work through. Properly. Yeah.

It would be a fine thing to do engineering. Materials. So as to know / learn about the medical devices and the medications and so on. So as to be able to make my own informed consent decision. So as to adivse others properly. Others with a will to live. Who want expert and ethical advice.

...

The problem is that they did not imprison the people responsible for the the experiments. They did not imprison them. And the experiments were not shut down. And they continue (ones like them) to this present day. And they gloat about their stupid findings in the journals even.

They are begging for people to shut them down adn put an and to it. They live out the trauma of what was happening when they were kiddies and they were all 'adaptive' and 'adaptable' and kept their heads down and their mouths shut about what others were doing and went on to do these abuses themselves -- that's what they were supposed to do -- right? That's what they were handpicked for??

 

Re: carrying capacity exceeded ~~ crash

Posted by alexandra_k on December 20, 2020, at 22:39:59

In reply to Re: carrying capacity exceeded ~~ crash, posted by alexandra_k on December 20, 2020, at 22:29:47

the lockdowns are inhumane for people living in studios or lofts of apartments or whatever you want to call them without balconies with access to natural light / sunlight.

we know what refusing to give people natural light / sunlight does to them.

we know about flicking cool LEDs and torture.

we know about old people kept behind glass... how we destroy their bones.

how we destroy their immune systems.

that's right.

we know.

no surprises.

we know...


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