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no more doctors?

Posted by alexandra_k on March 24, 2020, at 19:43:11

so a nurse needs to see a person and a nurse decides whether or not the person gets to 'see' a doctor.

the doctor is required to give a zoom chat consultation.

so there will be online records of every consultation given by that doctor.

how many consultations they have. what hours they work. how that consultation went. records. from all our doctors.

because, you know, NZs problem is that we don't have enough GPs doing the work of doctors in their communities.

we sent their kids back to them. the university closed so their kids got sent back home. their kids can probably help them figure out how to use zoom chat. lend them their computer or whatever.

sigh.

always in the name of 'access' there are only increased restrictions.

in the name of improving medical access to face masks and hand sanitisers the public's access has been restricted.

they say immunisations are available for flu 'early' this year. but they are available 2 weeks early for health professionals only. 2 weeks later for everyone else. they have been delayed, in other words. less access. not more.

we can't even speak plain english.

no speak english. native english speakers of english. no make-y no sense.

i shook the VC's hand. asked him to do the right thing, on his way out.

i nearly spat in his face. but i won't sink to his level.

sigh.

 

restricting supply

Posted by alexandra_k on March 24, 2020, at 21:02:02

In reply to no more doctors?, posted by alexandra_k on March 24, 2020, at 19:43:11

So NZ is a primary producer of P95 or P99 face masks.

We are agricultural. That involves a lot of pesticides and sprays.

The masks take filters that are to be replaced (filters are single use).

Looks like replacing the single use filters is cheaper / more cost effective etc than using single use mask after single use mask after single use mask...

Supply has been restricted.

We are great at that.

Restricting supply.

In a primary production of food country how do you get some kids starving of nutritious food and fruit and veges and meat and milk?

You get really really really really good at artificially restricting supply.

At saying 'these goods are not for you'.

We are being told they are for 'health professionals' (not administrators - that would be an abuse of power) and not for the general public.

Supplies to the general public have been stopped. Reduced. Interfered with. So supplies can be diverted to front line health professionals.

Nurses -- right?

The GPs are not putting themselves in the front line. They are hiding behind nurses and zoom chat.

The administrators are hiding away. NOt in the clock tower. They gutted the Univesrity and then fled.

I guess I go on a wait list for a mask... As... Myself. That's all I can do. See how long it takes for one to be supplied to me.

They say you don't need to wear one unless you are sick or at risk of being coughed / sneezed on by someone who is sick.

The risk of being coughed sneezed on by someone who is sick... I don't know. Depends how many people are coughing and sneezing in the supermarket cues.

If I get sick I likely will need to go out to buy groceries.

I would rather have a mask so if people are coughing / sneezing into people in the cues I can wear the mask.

There are a lot of people in the city with nothing to lose.

 

Re: restricting supply

Posted by rjlockhart37 on March 28, 2020, at 1:25:51

In reply to restricting supply, posted by alexandra_k on March 24, 2020, at 21:02:02

alex, yea this epidemic is nothing like before, were living history. I don't know how to say this, but know that many people on the net read out posts, don't know how but help people while there going through this terrible time. I have no idea, becase not alot people join babble, its mainly lurkers, most of posters left in the early 2010s. Now its like online family, we all know eachother.

Inspiring and insightful posts, maybe to give encouragement, at least we do something to help people and improve their well being by reading helpful posts.

......not sure else how to say that......

just an idea

 

Re: restricting supply

Posted by rjlockhart37 on March 28, 2020, at 1:31:12

In reply to Re: restricting supply, posted by rjlockhart37 on March 28, 2020, at 1:25:51

not sure how that would work, self-help books during this time is irrelevant, plus the've already probaly lost income due to the virus. Could do insightful stuff, help people get through this hard time.

this is thinking about a plan, dont even know if it would work

 

Re: restricting supply

Posted by alexandra_k on March 28, 2020, at 23:00:51

In reply to Re: restricting supply, posted by rjlockhart37 on March 28, 2020, at 1:31:12

(((((rj))))))

how are things for you? Texas -- right? My nephew is doing a Masters at Texas Tech. He was planning a trip home with his Texas girlfriend -- but no travel right now.

I purchased a N 95 mask from a pharmacy in Auckland. Only one. NZ post and NZ couriers are still functional. They phoned. Residential delivery. I met the courier on the road and he handed me the package.

I also purchased another face mask from a pharmacy in my block. There is a block of shops below. We only have pharmacies and supermarkets open, right now. Corner stores (7/11 or superettes or dairy's or whatever) are allowed to stay open -- but I think only some are choosing to, right now).

It was $2.50 for a face mask. I asked for N 95 and she said they didn't stock. I brought one.

________

Apparently the masks that were produced in NZ are required to be purchased by District Health Boards. Only I managed to purchase one. I don't want to get the supplier in trouble -- but just saying the DHB's don't seem to be doing everything they can to buy up the stock. I found that supplier online. No troubles. 3rd hit Google Search.

________

Apparently the DHB's have all the supplies they think they need. What they aren't doing is actually giving the supplies to the front line staff. Series of excuses now 'they aren't trained in how to use them' and so on and so forth...

_______

I went to the supermarket. I took the mask I brought downstairs (the one that is who knows what rating). It does not form a tight seal around my face. There is no wire on top. I have a... Uh... Honkey Jewish Nose??? Can I say that?? I am not flat-nosed. Face mask no sit tightly against my face. I have my Student Union University of Otago sunglasses with bottle openers on the ears (that will bottle-open open your ears off it you aren't careful) and they help the nose sit more form fitted against my upper face.

To the point that I build up significant amounts of condensation behind my mask / eyewear system...

I become aware that the surgical style masks that most people are wearing are cloth mostly (not plastic filtration). They are well ventillated by way of not being form fitting. They are designed to catch a sneeze or cough that is directly aimed.

I have myself respiratory systems. That are supposed to be tightly sealed. With athletic tape?? They appear... Scary. That's why people hide those kinds of masks with bandanas and so on...

I don't know how long you can wear one witout drowing in all the moisure your respiratory system makes...

That's why they say UV light (sun) steralise them. Dry 'em out.

Pathoma says if you block a tube you get infection upstream.

I worry that the N 95 etc masks are effectively blocking respiratory tubes. I guess that's why they don't recommend them for general public.

I only have 'good' masks. Unfortunately. Too good. Too good for me.

Not sure what I should do next time I go to supermarket.

Athletic tape it up, I guess. See how it feels to do things 'properly'.

Trouble with chemistry laboraties always was the awful goggles.

If I wanna be a surgeon (or work in the ER) then... Well.. Deal.

Yeppers.

 

Re: restricting supply

Posted by alexandra_k on March 28, 2020, at 23:03:24

In reply to Re: restricting supply, posted by alexandra_k on March 28, 2020, at 23:00:51

I'm sorry.. THe N 95 mask was just over 20 dollars with shipping.

I am not noticing price gouging.

But sometimes the cheapest options are all sold out. So all that is left is the 'boutique' type expensive options. But they aren't more expensive than they always were. It is just that they are the only things left in stock / the only things being supplied, right now.

I paid $9 for NZ produced hand sanitiser. A really small bottle. Like hotel shampoo. But otherwise there simply wasn't any to be purchased.

 

Re: restricting supply

Posted by alexandra_k on March 28, 2020, at 23:23:50

In reply to Re: restricting supply, posted by alexandra_k on March 28, 2020, at 23:03:24

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-35693-w

Well, if it's got 'computational fluid dynamics' in it, then it can't be wrong. That's what I always say.

Hur.

 

Re: restricting supply

Posted by alexandra_k on March 28, 2020, at 23:28:17

In reply to Re: restricting supply, posted by alexandra_k on March 28, 2020, at 23:23:50

'ultra-violet germacidal irradiation'

is that sticking it under the sun-shine -- or something else?

I jest... Kinda...

 

Re: restricting supply

Posted by alexandra_k on March 28, 2020, at 23:30:43

In reply to Re: restricting supply, posted by alexandra_k on March 28, 2020, at 23:28:17

moist heat aka 'fan bake'

okay, I am going to stop myself, right now..

 

Re: restricting supply

Posted by alexandra_k on March 29, 2020, at 0:27:26

In reply to Re: restricting supply, posted by alexandra_k on March 28, 2020, at 23:30:43

https://www.nstar.co.nz/medical-face-mask-n95p2ffp2-respirator-duckbill-style-rated-high-efficiency---covid-19-mask

UV light.

People are not used to washing their hands, in NZ.

I always wondered how it was that such high population density could be attained in China. In cities in China. In Hong Kong. Without the spead of disease. There is a difference in culture. In how many people can live in confined spaces while themselves diffusing into the space that there is. Instead of clumping into all the vast tracts of space that they have. Organisation.

Round two on the ventilators... Next time I need to go shopping.

It feels like the supermarket is my test case for my next OR. Only... I haven't even been trained, yet.

Yeah.

 

Re: restricting supply

Posted by alexandra_k on March 29, 2020, at 3:02:16

In reply to Re: restricting supply, posted by alexandra_k on March 29, 2020, at 0:27:26

https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/worker-health-safety-us/personal-protective-equipment/secure-fit/

Sigh.

And, as they like to say on Game of Throne 'shame. shame. shame.'

Sigh.

The trouble is, sometimes, when things get too good. Perhaps through no fault of their own. And then they have to help other things develop, too. If for no other reason than for the sake of investing in the longer term development of healthy competition.

Don't get me wrong, I just purchased my 3M Littman Cardiology 4 stethascope - so I could hear ALL the sounds (and then learn which to ignore)...

But I think it is like Apple... Choosing to invest in sueing Samsung for copying. Which FORCES samsung to hire creative. Which allows Samsung to develop.

YOu get the idea.

 

go home, minister of health

Posted by alexandra_k on March 29, 2020, at 4:09:49

In reply to Re: restricting supply, posted by alexandra_k on March 29, 2020, at 3:02:16

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12320692

and here he is. after he was told to go home. after he was told that his going home would result in less deaths than an ER physician had managed to save in his working lifetime.

They always said if you wanted to save more lives then don't practice clinical medicine. practice public health. of course what they didn't say was if you wanted to be dr death more efficiently than the clinical practitioners could ever get to be then again you wanted to practice public health. be director-general of health.

where did all our resources go and who are the trained professionals that will help?

our minister of health says everyone will just stay home. GPs will continue to get government hand out after government hand our after goverment handout while commuity health workers don't get the face masks that the DHBs and government has been stockpiling.

f*ck*ng idiots.

 

Re: go home, minister of health

Posted by sigismund on March 30, 2020, at 22:30:59

In reply to go home, minister of health, posted by alexandra_k on March 29, 2020, at 4:09:49

Would you like to swap governments, Alex?

 

Re: go home, minister of health

Posted by alexandra_k on April 1, 2020, at 12:57:09

In reply to Re: go home, minister of health, posted by sigismund on March 30, 2020, at 22:30:59

We can keep out Prime Minister.

You can have most everybody else.

You can keep yours too.

But you can have ours, as well.

We can't afford to keep them any more.

They have been redacting or rescinding or whatever it is too many laws.

Most of our laws read 'rescinded' or 'redacted' or whatever it is.

If they aren't stopped then we will have the largest law books of all of all the laws we do not have any more listing all the things that we don't care that people do. A cook-book, if you will, of how to conduct yourself and your business in this country.

 

Re: go home, minister of health

Posted by alexandra_k on April 1, 2020, at 13:58:15

In reply to Re: go home, minister of health, posted by alexandra_k on April 1, 2020, at 12:57:09

And when we don't want infectious disease specialists to say that people should be wearing PPE and using masks and sanitiser we will introduce our own NZ accreditation training program system for training our very own infectious disease specialists.

ANd students will pay thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars to the Univerities in applications and enrolments and so on to become infectious disease specialists in New Zealand.

With the promise that they will one day make it and earn a living wage to practice medicine.

Only, they will not give the accrditation to them until they have wasted much of their life and money into getting into the training program.

And they will only sign people out the other end of it if they come on board with their lofty goal of ensuring that nobody wears PPE and nobody wears masks and nobody uses sanitiser becuase that is money that can be spent on, uh, other things.

So you come on board with the party line...

And that is all there appears to be.

That is all there appears to be in New Zealand.

There isn't any education.
Theres isn't any academic or intelletual curiosity.
There isn't any contribution to development.
There isn't any contribution to learning.
There isn't any development of a system of accreditation (only a making up of our own when people don't like international standards because they have found a way to profit themselves at others expense by refusing to adopt internatinal standards).
Our 'development' is only ever a regression or a going backwards.

Things just keep getting worse.

In the name of things being 'better'.

Things just keep getting worse.

I think of how the Otago people said that for years and years and years they signed off on people's degree after they bribed officials overseas to be signed off on their work placement withotu their doing their work placement.

THen they come home and learn that, again, the way they get paid is to do no procedures. To use no resources. To sell your patients data (or even give it away) on request. To practice no medicine. To learn no medicine. To have all the titles and esteem and to have a chunk of money. Just so long as one doesn't practice medicine. Just so long as one prevents other people from being trained and learnign and knowing and practicing. Just so long as one ensures that NOBODY does the job for which one is paid.

And then you can look at how they select which people get which other jobs, often enough.

My supervisor employed to teach 'critical reasoning' to internatioal students whose English may not be the best. Am I really supposed to believe that they had hundreds of applicants and she was the best critical reasoner they had apply? Was she perhaps the worst? Did they perhaps hire her to confuse the hell out of the studnets so they would hand over more and more and more and more and an indefinate amount of money towards english proficiency classes beliving that English proficiency must be their problem when she makey no sense? Why did htey hire her, again?

Maybe because she is incompetent. And because he mother was an English teacher or something so I guess it's her birthright.

New Zealand: It's not working.

 

Re: go home, minister of health

Posted by sigismund on April 2, 2020, at 19:34:37

In reply to Re: go home, minister of health, posted by alexandra_k on April 1, 2020, at 12:57:09

I bought a tea towel here with this on it....

AUSSIE RULES, A NEW ONE VERY DAY

 

Re: go home, minister of health » sigismund

Posted by alexandra_k on April 3, 2020, at 7:00:34

In reply to Re: go home, minister of health, posted by sigismund on April 2, 2020, at 19:34:37

Haha, that's funny.

You could tie it around your face like Ned Kelly.

 

Re: go home, minister of health » sigismund

Posted by Jadde on April 3, 2020, at 18:04:38

In reply to Re: go home, minister of health, posted by sigismund on April 2, 2020, at 19:34:37

> I bought a tea towel here with this on it....
>
> AUSSIE RULES, A NEW ONE VERY DAY

LOL

 

Re: go home, minister of health

Posted by alexandra_k on April 4, 2020, at 3:05:24

In reply to Re: go home, minister of health » sigismund, posted by Jadde on April 3, 2020, at 18:04:38

> > I bought a tea towel here with this on it....
> >
> > AUSSIE RULES, A NEW ONE VERY DAY
>
> LOL


:-)

How are you Jadde?

How's life for you right now?

Where are you? What's going on? Are you okay?


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