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education is wasted on the young

Posted by alexandra_k on March 6, 2020, at 14:21:09

Anybody remember that saying?

I think the idea was that many people grew up to feel that they actually had pretty good teachers, at school trying to teach them pretty decent stuff, but that they weren't in the place where they were receptive to the teaching.

They had other things on their minds.

Whether it be that it was cold or they were hungry. Or that they were more interested in getting that girl to talk to them or more interested in getting that boy to stop beating on them...

Point is, there of often a... Reminscence... Fondly. For the actual educational aspects of schooling.

I don't understand why it's that f*ck*ng hard to have adult systems of education (actually all system of education) be about educating people who *want to learn*.

Instead we have classes stuffed full of people who just want the piece of paper. Thing in the newspaper, even, about students pretending to learn. Teachers pretending to teach. Only pretending to fairly (objectively) examine, too, of course. Combination of poorly designed tests and unfair and inconsistent grading.

So much squabbling and scrapping over what goes in vs out of the curriculum, too.

I was always curious about how people who work in the sciences often 'retire into' the arts. Especially things like Philosophy. I was always curious about how / why it was that these people who didn't seem stupid (and who clearly weren't stupid in their scientific fields) would write about philosophy without... Without having done undergraduate philosophy. So... Writing about theory of conscienceness, typically. But also things like free will. Without having learned from the curriculum.

It's like how you get people, sometimes, trying to come up with theories of everything, or whatever, without having done any physics.

Lots of medical doctors do these sorts of things when they retire, is what I'm thinking on. THink that they are in the position to judge the arts and provide merit scholarships and so on.

I feel sad that they didn't get to do the Arts Degree they probably wanted to.

I don't understand why they don't use their retirement to do these things.

Oh yeah, they don't actually want to do it. They are fan-boys of it.

Sort of.


When I said I wanted to go to Medical School... Didn't want to do philosophy...

Not a single person said 'me too'. 'Lets see if we can figure this out'.

Everybody just hunkered down: You can't.


Re: education is wasted on the young

Posted by alexandra_k on March 6, 2020, at 14:26:08

In reply to education is wasted on the young, posted by alexandra_k on March 6, 2020, at 14:21:09

because it's a birth-right hierarchical pyramid in these parts, you see.

and medicine is the apex.
under medicine is probably chemistry or biochemistry.
the arts are further down.
philosophy hangs around the bottom.

and you can start from the top and then settle into whatever you like. but there is no working your way up (there is no work).

there is only the natural order.
and some random luck.
the luck is supposed to promote hope.
it's all about undermining and preventing work.
nobody wnats to work.
especially teh people up top.

so people don't make it as medical doctors.
so those people get jobs in philosophy.

it's not like the US system where everybody does arts and science as undergrad and then GPA is important for entry to professional degrees.

our professional degree entry is gifted to people as their birth-right.

England is in trouble, too.
The 'elite' class who don't do anything
and who seem to become dumber and dumber with each gereration


Re: education is wasted on the young

Posted by alexandra_k on March 6, 2020, at 14:35:53

In reply to Re: education is wasted on the young, posted by alexandra_k on March 6, 2020, at 14:26:08

I saw that Brown has some places in Medicine given to school leavers.
They are accepted to study as undergraduates and do their undergraduate degree at Brown.
Then they will go on to Medicine at Brown.
I saw that there is a 'pass - fail' undergraduate curriclum, too.

And I think...
It all depends.

For a intelligent student with a curious mind who is well motivated to make the very most of their college opporunities and go on to study Medicine and genuinely help people...

It means they can take some time learning the language.
Like how some Autism people are slow to speak.
Because they are overloaded / overwhelmed by the masses and masses of words.
But when they do speak their vocabulary is much much higher than the kids who started speaking earlier with only 2 or 3 words.
Because that learning period can be when you might bomb, you see.
When I bomb in this part of the world because while I'll know most things when I see them on multi-guess I'm not able to write an essay on it yet.
Or while I could identify errors in the cardiac graph you gave me...
While I could explain teh graph, while I understand the graph,
I could not duplicate it on .7mm lined paper.

And they can take courses in sociology and philsophy and English and those kinds of things and not worry too much that the studnets majoring in those things might well write more thoughtful essays because of the amount of time and energy and effort that they devoted to their priority courses.

And the relax (rather than stress) that comes from feeling like your future and your trajectory is secure.
Some people thrive / do better under secure conditions.
Rather than under conditions of... Slavery.

So I see that all of that could be a wonderful gift to the right person.

And then I think on how it could all be a terrible thing, indeed, to a little sh*t who is just walking into their birth right.

Who sees it as permission to slack off.

And it depends.

And I guess I wonder how much they people trade.

E.g., taking money from fee paying rich studnets to subsidise the above kinds of offers for peple who are really smart and motivated but don't have money.

HOw much they go 'we will train 5 rich peoples snotty kids so that we can fund 10 not rich peoples smart and motivated kids'

I wonder how it all goes down.

I hear there are 2 classes of people at Univerity, often.

It feels that way here.

Rule: House wins.

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