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Posted by alexandra_k on November 19, 2019, at 8:15:32

It is that things don't go round the cortex at all.

I mean to say that if someone says 'you don't listen' to you then what is supposed to happen is that it goes round the cortex and you encode the meaning of 'so and so said that I don't listen'.

But instead what happens is that it doesn't go round the cortex at all. Instead what happens is 'you don't listen' comes out the mouth.

Then I hear that.

I wonder why people say I don't listen.

They are just parroting what they heard people say to them.

Just parroting it in my direction.

The things that people have said to them that they could not process.

The things that were often said to them because they could not process.

It used to be trendy in philosophy to write about embodied cognition and the extended mind.

But the thing with the truly extneed mind is that there isn't an intended mind at all. Representation. Meaning encoding. It just is not there.

I think I do encode language differently from most people. Most people are not particularly literate in these parts...

I am remembering back to when I was a kid reading under the covers at night. I am remembering how I didn't much like starting new books because I always found myself needing to read the first page or two again. It would take some time before the saying the words quietly to myself aspect receeded and the meanings would pop off the page and into my mind without any effort from me. To become lost in the story.

I guess maybe a similar thing happens with computer games. Nethack with the keyboard symbols. The power of imagination. Visualising things quietly to yourself becuase it isn't smacking you in the face with HD.

I think it probably just is about basic literacy. It is a thing that, no doubt, has a counterpart in mathematics that I never discovered.

I don't add. I count. Then I count more quickly. It helps me count faster if I look at and move my fingers. That is embarrassing for me. I don't like to do it in public. So I don't 'try' to do maths in public. So I do poorly on exams when I feel observed.

I noticed when I was sitting the UCAT. Even though people weren't watching me (of course they were watching for test taking strategies really) I was too embarrassed to do the math on my finges so I didn't. Not saying I would have got it right if I did use my fingers. Which only makes it more embarrassing.

Also I use my fingers wrong. I start palms up and work from right thumb to little finger then left thumb to left little finger and then I am out of fingers and stuck in the middle between the hands and mild panic sets in.


The solution probably would have been as simple as practicing the product of two single digit numbers over and over and over until I basically had them memorised teh way I remember 'a schema is a cognitive structure representing knowledge of a stimulus or kind of stimulus including attributes and relations among attributes' for social psychology. But that never happened. But I didn't work at it the way I worked at memorising that schema definition for maybe 1 per cent in a tutorial test so... I don't know.


There was a sign in the high court that said something along the lines of 'to avoid embarrassement don't bow to the judge' or something.

The NZ websites said it was historical tradition and don't worry about it.

The sites outside NZ said you bow to the insignia (?) of the crown. All the people in the court do. It represents that the judge is an emmissary or whatever of the crown. In other words it represents that the judge is not the highest authority but the judge is accountable to something higher and doesn't get to just do what they want but has to deliver the verdict that would be delivered by the more senior person were they there. Or similar.

so of course you should bow.

If you understand why you are bowing.

I wasn't sure why...

But the judge bowed first. So... It seemed polite, given that.

So I looked into it. And I am glad I did.

Intuition confirmed.

It is a shame that it is tied up with this notion of a monarch and monarchy.

But I guess it is one step closer to an ideal of freedom equality and justice for all or similar.

An ideal... An ideology...

There are probably religious aspects or overtones.

I mean to say the inherant grain of truth or wisdom that is common to all.


I read the Bible too.
When I was maybe my first year at secondary school.
Leviticus was the hardest chapter to get through.
Who begat who begat who...
I wanted to read King James but ended up with NIV.
I remember things sometimes then.
From Judges and the like.
The one about the two women who had babies and one died.
And both claimed the baby was theirs.
And the judge suggested they cut the baby in half.
And the one who said she would rather the other woman take the baby then was properly identified as the true mother.

Anyway... Whatever.

Just adding to the record.

Whatever that's worth.




Re: bow

Posted by alexandra_k on November 19, 2019, at 8:19:12

In reply to bow, posted by alexandra_k on November 19, 2019, at 8:15:32

actually that is not true about being stuck in the middle and then panic sets in. i can tilt my fingers a little to represent a place holder in the 10's position as a 1 or a 2 or whatever...

i has a system.

not saying it is a good system. but i do has a system.



Re: bow

Posted by alexandra_k on November 19, 2019, at 8:22:30

In reply to Re: bow, posted by alexandra_k on November 19, 2019, at 8:19:12

they did say in maths that i did not make good use of instruction.

perhaps that was true.

i would always ask 'why' and ask whether we could do it this or that or the other way instead.

and the teacher didn't know or would tell me to just shut up and do it their way or whatever so i went on a mental strike in protest.

... maybe. there may have been just a little bit of that.


Re: bow

Posted by alexandra_k on November 19, 2019, at 8:40:11

In reply to Re: bow, posted by alexandra_k on November 19, 2019, at 8:22:30

i guess it is important, then, to know that i am a big fan of coming to understand the reason for the rule. not questioning for the sake of questioning or intentionally being difficult. though maybe there was a little of that when i was younger...

i do remember, at some point, asking 'why' a few too many times. i don't know what knocked it out of me but years later i read Wittgensetin saying that eventually you hit rock bottom and then your spade is turned and I went 'oh. that's why. nobody ever explained that to me, before'.

only i also read: sensible men know when to stop peeling their onions.

sometimes you break through the crust and there is only freefall or something like that.

circles. ambles. wasting the time. idling the life away.

i suspect they are just making it clear as clear as clear as clear as clear can be there is no dropping out.

i wonder if other kids have business sponsors. i wonder if that is how they go. so the church interest was what the pastor guy was about. and so on.


the Ombudsman thing has to be a joke. it just has to be...

I keep going up to the High Court now just to reassure myself that justice isn't entirely a joke in this country. there are non-stupid people here.

the advisor said to me at one point something about 'why they didn't just sign you off' and I thought she got it... So...

Apparently a group of Otago students were sanctioned for skipping out of hospital attendance in South America in order to go holidaying while collecting a stipend for their... Internship? Clerkship. I think that is what that means.

Apparently it has been going on for ages. Destinations in South America or Italy or someplace else I forget... Notorious for signing studnets off on their placements after taking a photo of them in scrubs for their facebook or similar.


They are withholding graduation from them. I am not sure how I feel about that.

Accountability: Good.

I just worry that these kids may have been picked out as scapegoat. Why the University did not take steps to PREVENT the situation from occurring. Whether some students were given advance warning that this was going to occur or whatever.

I worry the Universities will set all their students up into impossible situations in order to refuse to sign any of them off...

I worry about that a lot. I mean I've seen they seem only too willing to do that to me. I am sure there are others.

There was a tropical disease guy who seemed decent. Gave a sensible talk in teh centre for bioethics. I don't remember what he said. I remember my response to what he said. About who was expected to babysit the students we sent to developing nations expecting them to train our students. His talk was about edu-tourism. That's right, it was. He said go and help when you know some stuff and are helpful. Do not go and try and help when you dont know anything and aren't any help. It is about tourism, really.

So... It isn't like the University didn't know...

I worry a little that people might say they are holidaying (like how pepole might say they are playing social media) while actually skipping across the boarder to sit clinical skills examinations in Texus... That 'holidaying' might have been study time... That refusing to give students their qualifications might mean people are not in the position to take up offers of residency. But I don't know.

I don't know that the NZ accreditation people would be so very mean spirited as to try and discredit people who had offers of US residencies... I honestly and genuinely don't know...

I don't know...

I don't suppose I have any reason at all to expect them to behave at all ethically or morally or anything at all towards me or towards anyone at all. Ethical behavior... I really haven't very much seen...

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