Psycho-Babble Politics Thread 1110867

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Thomas Jefferson

Posted by sigismund on June 19, 2020, at 22:58:51

I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.

 

Re: Thomas Jefferson

Posted by alexandra_k on June 20, 2020, at 19:41:37

In reply to Thomas Jefferson, posted by sigismund on June 19, 2020, at 22:58:51

Yes.

Step one:

Close the trade borders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_Prohibiting_Importation_of_Slaves

 

Re: Thomas Jefferson

Posted by alexandra_k on June 20, 2020, at 19:48:24

In reply to Re: Thomas Jefferson, posted by alexandra_k on June 20, 2020, at 19:41:37

I was reading about the... Tianaman (spelling??!) massacre / rememberance thereof...

I was reading about how Australia allowed however many people to move to Australia to get away from China as a response to that.

It was a well-written article, I thought. It made Australia look good. There were nice stories from people who moved to Australia from China and who were happy with their new life in Australia.

I worry that people move for a supposedly better life... And end up worse off, actually, than when they started.

We keep hearing stories of professional people. People who are practicing professionals, apparently, who give up their professional status in order to move to another country. Who, on arrival to the new country somehow make do on fairly minimal refugee relocation payments or similar... So that their children get to be professionals (or similar) in the new country.

And I think to myself: Why? How is that not a side-ways move or a bit of a jump backwards?

And I suppose that they were refugees... So actually they lost their professional status back home, already. Right? They are political refugees... That meanst that the government (or whomever) is seeing about removing their professional registrations / lisences... Removing them from pay-roll... Maybe locking them up as crazy or criminalising them...

Maybe just continually wasting their time...

I don't know. I don't understand.

 

Re: Thomas Jefferson

Posted by alexandra_k on June 20, 2020, at 19:55:25

In reply to Thomas Jefferson, posted by sigismund on June 19, 2020, at 22:58:51

I'm sorry -- I don't mean to hijack the thread. I don't mean to turn it into being about something that it is not. Or need not be. Or whatever.

I have been thinking a lot about justice, lately.

While waiting to hear judgement from the NZ High Court.

Or what the next step will be on the way to justice.

Hopefully.

There appears to be something approximating just deserts for high level Auckland University of Technology (AUT) administrators, lately:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/121894081/claims-against-second-senior-aut-academic

Not via / through the courts.

But actually Australian led.

Apparently... It's on the books... It is written in the Australian Constitution that New Zealand IS a state of Australia.

Whether New Zealand does or does not recognise or admit to that -- it's in the Australian Constitution.

So...

Doesn't that mean... That Australia has the DUTY to look after us the same as it has the DUTY to look after the other Australian States??

That includes things like not treating us like second class Australians (e.g., not allowing us HECS to study in Australia)...

Surely...

I suppose I would have to take that to court to see.

Someone. Someone maybe who is an actual lawyer. Y'know??

 

Re: Thomas Jefferson

Posted by sigismund on June 20, 2020, at 20:29:06

In reply to Re: Thomas Jefferson, posted by alexandra_k on June 20, 2020, at 19:55:25

Just taking a break from watching the Tulsa rally. The alternative reality thing which past a certain point is truly dangerous.

The Chinese were let in after Tiananmen by Hawke and the ALP, one of our last governments to handle the relationship with China carefully.

It would be worse if Murdoch had succeeded in replacing Turnbull with Dutton.......cruel to be kind, cultivating the worst, slicing and dicing till you get your majority, the fight against the globalists to replace the current fight.

 

Re: Thomas Jefferson sigismund

Posted by alexandra_k on June 21, 2020, at 18:33:10

In reply to Re: Thomas Jefferson, posted by sigismund on June 20, 2020, at 20:29:06

> Just taking a break from watching the Tulsa rally.

Yeah. I watched some of it.

He was joking when he said about testing less -- the crowd laughed at the joke was what I saw.

It's what the English leaders have been complaining about, too 'the reason we have such a high number of cases is becuase we are doing so many tests. If we tested less (like New Zealand, say) then we would find less cases, too'.

It's not a recommendation that they test less... It's an explanation as to why their numbers of cases are so high.

Of course it's not the only explanation / reason. But he wasn't recommending that the US test less. He was kidding.

> The Chinese were let in after Tiananmen by Hawke and the ALP, one of our last governments to handle the relationship with China carefully.

I see.

I see that more recently England is offering to allow people from Hong Kong to immigrate. If they really want out of Hong Kong.

I suppose I worry / am fearful for people who have been offered this route to citizenship.

It's too easy for countries to go about trying to pick up people with low expectations and the like to get them doing the jobs the locals don't want for next to no pay while treating them like garbage.

LIttle more than slaves.


 

Re: Thomas Jefferson

Posted by beckett2 on June 22, 2020, at 0:18:12

In reply to Thomas Jefferson, posted by sigismund on June 19, 2020, at 22:58:51

> I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.

What is the context? I need to look this up. I've been reading about Sally Hemmings, w/ whom he had six children while she didn't live in his mansion.


 

Re: Thomas Jefferson

Posted by sigismund on June 22, 2020, at 0:31:05

In reply to Re: Thomas Jefferson sigismund, posted by alexandra_k on June 21, 2020, at 18:33:10

>He was joking when he said about testing less -- the crowd laughed at the joke was what I saw.

I can't say I felt that, but ummmmm......gee, I'm not going to demonise him. He is the symptom more than the problem. The whole thing is disgusting.

 

Re: Thomas Jefferson

Posted by sigismund on June 22, 2020, at 0:33:29

In reply to Re: Thomas Jefferson, posted by beckett2 on June 22, 2020, at 0:18:12

It is on the ceiling of the Jefferson Memorial. Or so I read.

There is a lot to choose from, you know the list.

 

Re: Thomas Jefferson beckett2

Posted by sigismund on June 22, 2020, at 1:16:36

In reply to Re: Thomas Jefferson, posted by beckett2 on June 22, 2020, at 0:18:12

> w/ whom he had six children while she didn't live in his mansion.

Which would have been unimaginable, I assume. As the crimes of the West mounted the aesthetics adjusted to accomodate them.

That quote applies just as well to Australia.

In a review of Dylan's latest I read something he had said (it was about young people, but that should not divert us)......'They'd believe anything'. True of all times and all places?

 

Re: Thomas Jefferson

Posted by alexandra_k on June 22, 2020, at 10:37:50

In reply to Re: Thomas Jefferson, posted by sigismund on June 22, 2020, at 0:31:05

> >He was joking when he said about testing less -- the crowd laughed at the joke was what I saw.

> I can't say I felt that

A lot of people didn't feel that. There were also a lot of people in the audience who were not laughing and who did not seem to know how to take what he was saying. Or maybe it wasn't clear whether they were actually listening to the words. Or maybe it wasn't clear whether they actually understood the words they heard.

I do hear you that there was something disgusting about it.

I...

There were an awful lot of white people. I didn't see a single black face going to the Trump rally. That made me... Understand a bit more about why people don't like him / what he appears to represent.

They didn't even seem to be trying to keep social distancing or wear masks or engage in hand sanitising. They seemed to be... Steeling themselves for whatever will be will be... Like... They've got their bomb shelters and their ration supplies and their guns and bring it on... Sort of not understanding the nature of the threat / things they could do to help themselves.

The stadium... I don't think it was a prank that meant half the stadium was empty. I think it was an attempt / intentional effort to make it possible for the supporters to spread out / socially distance.

But...

The people wanted to see him.

They wanted to see him out of his bunker. They wanted to see him present himself before them. They wanted to see him without his face mask. They wanted to appear before him without facemasks on and huddle together and scream and yell and...

I suppose it's part of the job. I don't suppose he could say 'no'. Not sure...

The royalty comes and visits, sometimes. They are expected to rub noses with the great unwashed. They are expected to do it with a smile on their face while saying 'why isn't that delightful!'. They are required to eat what they are presented with and to eat enough of it so the other is satisfied. And so on...

I imagine it would be hard to engage in very much of that without... Becoming corrupted in some way. Yeah. I mean... I am imagining what kinds of sick and twisted motivations or 't*t for tat' one would have or develop or foster so as to keep up the false facade...

I don't like the 'game' of politics. It's psychopaths playing with other people's lives for their own amusement / profit. It isn't very nice.

 

Re: Thomas Jefferson

Posted by sigismund on June 22, 2020, at 15:39:01

In reply to Re: Thomas Jefferson, posted by alexandra_k on June 22, 2020, at 10:37:50

All I can feel with Tump is the assertion of his superiority. Take that tweet to Erdogan that had toward the end 'in my great and unmatched wisdom' or something. Maybe he says a lot of things with an inbuilt get out of jail card.

 

Re: Thomas Jefferson

Posted by alexandra_k on June 26, 2020, at 20:41:19

In reply to Re: Thomas Jefferson, posted by sigismund on June 22, 2020, at 15:39:01

> All I can feel with Tump is the assertion of his superiority.

Yeah, okay.

I didn't use to like him. I thought he was a sanctimoneous smug...

It was only after watching season 1 of the apprentice that I changed my take on things.

Seeing how he was running the board-room. How he interacted with his advisors. The reason or rationale for the dismissals. The fact that people were dismissed.

The things he was conveyed as valuing. The strategies and tactics he thought were good and the things he tried to dissuade / discourage (e.g., taking out insurance to offer a cash prize).

I grew to respect him.

Which was, of course, the point to the show, no doubt. And there are many many many many more seasons of it. And he likely wasn't the writer and so on... The director even...

But before that... I really didn't like him at all. And I was inclined to screw up my fact and cringe at everything he said. And almost everything he said I found cringe-worthy. So... I guess I do remember feeling that way about him. Yeah.


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