Psycho-Babble Politics Thread 1109737

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see what would happen

Posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 0:22:04

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/04/coronavirus-us-president-donald-trump-suggests-injecting-disinfectant-to-treat-covid-19-clean-the-lungs.html

sigh.

it is strange how the message gets perverted. how people hear what they want to hear, perhaps.

i guess there is an element of that, in politiking.

we know sunlight kills the virus. and people do experiment in giving radiation to people to see what will happen.

and of course you would need medical doctors to deliver chemotherapy too to see what would happen. it would kill the virus.

and the patient most likely.

but it would be medical doctors who would do that. to see what would happen.

of course.

 

Re: where are the medical supplies?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 0:27:30

In reply to see what would happen, posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 0:22:04

the government is going to send people out to take a look at inventories of the district health boards.

to see their masks that they supposedly have. to check if they have them on the shelves. to check if they have deteriorated or if they are okay because the district health board did approropriate stock rotation.

i suppose they will get to take a gander at other medical supplies, as well.

see if there are anti-malerials that there are supposed to be -- or see if they vanished out of the storeroom as people saw fit to stockpile them for their own personal profits. maybe to sell them overseas to the highest bidder.

see if there are missing supplies of drugs with abuse potential. the stuff that is made into amphetamines or opiates or whatever whatever on the streets.

i suppose that is why the minister of health hasn't been laid off yet. they want him to stand up there with the district health board while they compile enough evidence for them to limp away while a country the size of Sydney or the State of North Carolia decides to nationalise the health system instead of hiring 11x22 district health board members to make sure nobody gets proper medical treatment on their watch.

someone should make a meme picture. 'every time a staff member uses PPE in accordance with best practice guidelines the minister of health kills a kitten'.

 

Re: where are the medical supplies?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 0:35:54

In reply to Re: where are the medical supplies?, posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 0:27:30

That Theil guy is back. Trumps friend. The one who bribed them into processing his NZ citizenship application just to show the world how corrupt NZ was and how the whole world needed to worry about international criminals setting themselves up with NZ citizenship and NZ boltholes.

The guy who brought himself a bolt hole in NZ just because he could.

He's here now doing stuff to do with internet security. Of course. The contact tracing thing.

It is interesting. The capacity for cellphones to basically... Get a virus, if you like, from any other cellphone if they get within a proximity of, say, 2 meters. To do contact tracing.

I worry about the potential for abuse. To hack things and ruin people, I mean to say. For someone corrupt and dodgey. The Univeristy of Auckland accessing it's own academic records and falsifying them retrospectively so studnets can't get away from their slave-owners in New Zealand.

Because we don't want to work towards being something where people want to be / want to stay. Instead we race to the bottom and try and brand and corrupt and mark our people in various ways so nobody else will want them.

I can only do what I can do...

Try my best to maintain security with what I can do.

F*ck*ng nasty incompetents.

 

Re: where are the medical supplies?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 0:41:35

In reply to Re: where are the medical supplies?, posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 0:35:54

I found that the University of Waikato advertises to a Chinese University that you can do a Degree and it will credit as a Chinese Degree for a Chinese University qualification and a Waikato University Degree for a NZ University qualification as well.

Only, of course, you can't get credit 2x for doing the work for 1 Degree. But I suppose that will be something that they won't make clear until the money has been handed over for 2 Degrees...

At which point they don't give them the Degree. Waikato has lawyers ready and waiting for the 'no we won't give you your Degree' lawsuits. Apparently.

That's their racket, now.

To advertise (pretend to be) a rubbish easy pay us and you get your Degree qualification mill program...

To take the money for that.

To then not give the Degree.

Brought to you by the region of NZ who had just under 50 per cent shares in Sanlu. The infant milk formula people who poisoned children in China by intentionally contaminating the product by watering it down and adding Melamine to pass the nutrient test.

Brought to you by the region that wants to go pick up face masks from Chinese companies and just throw them on the back of a Toyota truck, one can only imagine.

Brought to you by the district health board that kills a kitten everytime someone uses a face-mask.

 

Re: where are the medical supplies?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 0:59:29

In reply to Re: where are the medical supplies?, posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 0:27:30

And it isn't that Waikato is marketing the Degree in a dodgey way where it is clear you send them money for a certificate and there isn't physical buildings or pictures of smiling administrative staff supposedly located in China.

It sounds or seems comparable to a Degree program whereby you do a Double-Degree (what many NZ Universities have offered, at least) whereby you do 2 Under-Graduate 3 year degrees in 5 years by cross-crediting 1 year of courses between them. NZ Universities have done that for a while.

And if there is a 3 year undergraduate degree in NZ vs 4 year undergraduate degree in the US... Then offering 2 Degrees in 5 years is the logical next step in... In... What we have determined shall be the race to the bottom -- right??

Anyway, point is it seems plausible. Credable. Creditable.

To think that you could do a Degree program with Credits / acknowledgemetn in China and in NZ, too.

And it is taking advantage of the fiduciary to not be very very clear and very very upfront about regulatiosn and requirements for conferral etc etc in advance.

F*ck*ng psychopaths.

 

Re: where are the medical supplies?

Posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 2:25:42

In reply to Re: where are the medical supplies?, posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 0:59:29

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/jaw-dropping-trump-slammed-for-touting-dangerous-new-virus-treatments-after-favored-drug-is-discredited/ar-BB137iKT

Yep. He's just here to present the ideas / talent. All the science advisors, being paid what they are paid.

The cutting edge research that is going to be translated into the practical recommendations and guidelines and treatments.

Yeppers.

Humidity. Thats a winner. Corona virus that lives in droplets of particles of moisture doesn't like humidity.

That's a-priori -- right?

Oh Dear.

I have been thinking about how general motors can make dialysis machines once they are done with ventillators, I suppose.

It was very very early on that they were talking about clotting. About seeing or finding an autoimmune response with microclots in some people. Not in women. That's strange, I think, women tend to outnumber men in those kinds of auto-immune disorders where antigens (virus) and antibodies and complement complexes and gets stuck in the glomerular filtration memberane in teh kidney and the lungs and...

The joints.

Lupis.

Hmm.

It is a hard one, often times. Science. Science findings. Sometimes things follow easily, straightforwardly, or simply. But othertimes things follow in precisely the way you would NOT have expected. Like chemistry. My intuitions go the other way, are upside down, maybe half the time. So I need to keep checking... I think my educated guess is x because of y (then I have to quickly quickly look it up and see if x is true otherwise I need to make sure my 'explanation' for falsehood doesn't become entrenched / believed.

Truly Corona doesn't like humidity?

Why not?

Do you mean if it is raining and I sneeze my sneeze travels less far?

Or something else?

 

Re: merk won't give us keytruda anymore

Posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 2:37:17

In reply to Re: where are the medical supplies?, posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 2:25:42

fwiw

https://www.keytruda.com/how-does-keytruda-work/

 

Re: merk won't give us keytruda anymore

Posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 3:09:55

In reply to Re: merk won't give us keytruda anymore, posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 2:37:17

sigh.

it's a sad day.

there has been a significant investment in developing out infra-structure.

when things got locked down. staff training rolled out.

training staff to use hand sanitiser and to use PPE.

in the hospitals. in the supermarkets. in the food supply chain.

looking into the 'bubbles' or living conditions of the workers.

training in personal space.

it's not just about coronavirus.

they reckon around 90 per cent of people have some kind of Herpes.

it can reactivate later as cancer.

lots of viruses do that. stay dormant inside cells and wait...

then re-activate later and produce cancers.

so about personal space. distancing. hand washing.

next week we are moving to level 3.

some (very limited) schools are re-opening.

again, staff training. spreading the kids out. putting their desks further apart. giving each child a resource instead of everybody sharing everything all the time.

it needed a massive culture-shift. how to get a massive culture-shift?

there did need to be some kind of a shock.

someone asked our PM how much longer before things return to normal.

she said something about how things won't return to normal.

we have learned a lot from public health. social distancing where possible. hand washing. not touching faces if you can help it. etc.

if you get sick get tested quickly.

that's right.

developing the laboratory testing capacity for fast turnaround on laboratory testing.

diagnostics.

moving towards gold standard.

being able to identify things in time to do something about them.

to notify contacts.

our director general of health said that we are experiencing a new low of lack of respiratory symptoms. people aren't presenting with respiratory symptoms. he seemed surprised / mystified. he said 'because we arent' spreading them around'. only... most of our respiratory symptoms were supposed to be from non infectious things like asthma. so... why aren't we seeing teh respiratry symptoms? it is bizzarre.

next week we move to level 3. some limited hospitality stuff offering take-aways. again... if they show they can operate safely. again with teh health and safety training.

the dentists have stood up sensibly and said 'practice guidelines are new ppe for each patient. that will cost us $80 per person and who is supposed to foot the bill for that? Patients often can't afford to pay more for dental and we can't afford to eat that cost in the clinic'.

It has been really really really really hard for good health care providers to step up with that. to basically say that business as normal wasn't following the best practice guidelines. but they want to. they just don't see how to. how they can.

surely we can get teh price down... but we need to start with a sensible quote, i imaagine, of roughly how much we need for business as usual, even. so we know how much we need to purchase how frequently as some kind of a baseline regular order for a fair price for that.

it is progress. it is heartening to see progress. it feels... i am sad i don't feel more a part of things. just watching from teh side-lines... feeling unwanted. like i can't contribute or help or do anything... just doing f*ck*ng basic f*ck*ng reasoning for the f*ck*ng idiots who no speak english when it f*ck*ng suits them.

but it is good to see progress. the way it is good to see the 'right answer' sometimes when there is one no matter who or were that comes from.

hopefully our hospitals will be following practice guidelines by the time i'm expected to do clinical placements. hand sanitiser available.

and hopefully we will be taking foreign interns for 1 months of internship so i can get a good internship overseas. wehre i'm not expected to bribe officials (here or overseas) or not get signed off on any internship at all. i understand the interns were turned away from seeing the inside of the hospital because they likely didn't want them seeing they had no supplies and the 'trained staff' often likely were next to no existent as well. they can't go home with stories of that... so they take pictures of them in fake ERs and send them hiking in the mountains... i'm sure that's what we were doing if we were taking US interns, as well.

Sigh.

But Keytruda...

To a nation that is world leading in skin cancer.

(Pathoma says not to worry about skin cancer because it is so easy to identify and treat before it spreads or becomes a problem).

Keytruda...

Would be prescribed too widely. With too many side-effects (autoimmune destruction of the body and death). Unless you have patients with demonstrated PLA-L over-expression in their cancer cells... ANd do we have the capability to test for that?

?

?

I'm not entirely convinced we are testing the positive covid 19 patients rather than testing postiive the turkey sandwich... or the status of the tester...

I just mean to say, I don't think NZ is ready for Keytruda, quite yet.

I don't know that we file our paperwork in triplicate...

 

Re: immunisations

Posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 4:41:20

In reply to Re: merk won't give us keytruda anymore, posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 3:09:55

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/measles-epidemic

there has been a looooooooooooooooot of publicity about immunisations and about how immunisations will save us.

people died in Samoa because they were given immunisations that were reconstituted with expired anasthetic solution instead of clean water.

they don't know how many people were given ineffective vaccinations (it was supposed to be a live virus immunisation) in that manner.

it's hard to know if it's incompetence / inepitude on the part of the administering people, or if it's more malevolent intent.

but when they aren't steralising the skin properly creating a needle stick injury and injecting who knows what material...

who in their right mind would give consent to / for that?

they didn't get to give informed consent.

the leaders decided everyone would be immunised.

i don't think there was any kind of by or pass for people who may be immunocompromised or people who had allergies etc who might be more likely to respond by developing auto-immune disease.

just an epic fail.

i wonder how the serum transfusions are working. if they are working. if they clot strangely.

 

Re: immunisations

Posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 17:27:05

In reply to Re: immunisations, posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 4:41:20

temperature and humidity... or temperature, and humidity.

https://h2omachine.com/humidity-maps/

it drives me up the wall when people don't use a comma to separate the last two things in a list unless they mean for the last two things in the list to be considered together as a conjunction.

that's the 'wet bulb temperature' thing we had in physics. a combined measure of temperature and humidity and wind-chill, i think. something like that.

i didn't know that some people need to actively humidity their houses. it's all about keeping the moisture out in these parts. particularly noted to be a problem in winter, rather than summer, because of the amount of money it costs to heat uninsulated houses. you put so much into heating the house and the first thing that starts to happen is the water starts collecting in beads around the windows. condensation. like how you lose a lot of heat when your sweat evaporates (it doesn't here, it just stays in beads on your skin and then pools and drops off). when you heat your house your house starts to sweat before you notice much of an increase in... genuine temperature. i want to say. not this sort of a surface warmth. a genuine warmth. that is warming. that is... healthy. obviously.

 

Re: immunisations

Posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 17:40:13

In reply to Re: immunisations, posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 17:27:05

Aw the link doesn't work. it was a link to a humidity map. seems to me the states in the US that got hit the worst have higher levels of humidity.

I wrote an essay for bioethics in Otago at some point. As part of an anatomy course because anatomy wasn't really anatomy it was largely a lot of other things. I mean the Degree was filled up with things other than anatomy. It was a bit of a shame I would have loved to do courses in things like...

Comaparative animal biology of... Vision. Flight. Gait. Stuff like that. Swimmming. But we didn't so much. We mostly did cell biology and immunology and some bioethics.

Anyhoo... THere is this well known paradigm (old now, but depending on where you live in teh world and how old you are and how up to date you keep your knowledge of stuff with going to international conferences and the like you might think it is cutting edge)... About 'extended mind'. This idea that there is progress to be had to be made in thinking about the mind not as this sort of individual representation or symbol processing thing in the head... But to sort of see the contents of the mind as things that come into it from outside it.

And then a sort of externalisation of the mind. So thinking about how things like writing it down on a piece of paper or whatever increases the computational power or ability of the mind.

And there was this sort of a thing, I suppose, where ones phone is sort of an extended mind. It serves as a memory function for your own mind. That kind of a thing.

And then there was this embodied cognition kind of a thing about how the mind or brain is situated in an environment that enables or allows higher cognitive function (or not). Inventions such as mathematical notionation that allows complext computations to be performed relatively easily...

Anyhoo since it was an anatomy class I talked about embodied cognition of how people may have their self-identity tied up in the capacities of their body. So thinking about amputating a limb of an athlete along the lines of lobotomoising a philosopher. Sort of a thing. From the perspective of ethics. And from the perspective that different people might have differnent values or whatever they attach or put into different parts of the body or different capaccities or abilities they have. And if their self worth or status or standing in teh tribe is in their sports capacity, for instance, then... Anyway... Actually from memory it was about concussion and about this thing about how we need to keep them off the field to look after their brains. It was a freaking ethics essay and I was raising complex issues and so, of course, I got a bad grade for it, because that was not wanted, I was supposed to regurgitate wrote learned what he said to me only without any circuts of the cortext at all (even when I provided some philosophy names as references to show I didn't just make this sh*t up the night before instead of studying I was actually responding to or replying to the stuff he taught us in class).

Anyway...

Now I'm thinking about extended respiratory systems. Shame General motors can't make the world heat pumps. The ones that don't use much energy that have a fan built in so the warmed (or cooled) air is circulated to add a little wind chill or circulate the heat and that take the moisture out.

Not having a heat pump in at least one room of your house in this part of the world is tantamount to torture.

It is for / to me.

But my landlord is a grubby grub grub grub grub, no doubt. And everytime a health worker uses hand sanitiser the board of directors at the hospital kill a kitten.

 

Re: dry your hands

Posted by alexandra_k on April 25, 2020, at 5:35:37

In reply to Re: immunisations, posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2020, at 17:40:13

you wash your hands...

and then you leave them wet.

because Coronavirus doesn't like humidity.

yeppers.

 

every time someone uses a paper towel... (nm) alexandra_k

Posted by alexandra_k on April 25, 2020, at 5:43:52

In reply to Re: dry your hands, posted by alexandra_k on April 25, 2020, at 5:35:37

 

the district health board kills a kitten (nm)

Posted by alexandra_k on April 25, 2020, at 5:44:23

In reply to every time someone uses a paper towel... (nm) alexandra_k, posted by alexandra_k on April 25, 2020, at 5:43:52


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