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Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia

Posted by sigismund on December 4, 2019, at 1:06:11

In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia sigismund, posted by beckett2 on December 3, 2019, at 13:13:33

Right here we had an inch of rain, but it wasn't widespread and I doubt it went far inland. That keeps the wolf from the door for the moment.

The fires are normally worse down south in the drier eucalyptus forests. So far so good. The Guardian had an article about continental fires, and for the first time I could imagine it, just as I can now easily imagine the rainforest burning. Maybe that will happen? The forest will dry and then burn? They talk about the Amazon turning into savannah.

 

Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on December 5, 2019, at 21:27:23

In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia, posted by sigismund on December 4, 2019, at 1:06:11

Is South Australia similar to parts of California, grassy with eucalypts? Today's footage of the bushfires reminds me of here.

 

Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia

Posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 1:42:56

In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia sigismund, posted by beckett2 on December 5, 2019, at 21:27:23

South Australia is dry and hot in the north of that state. There is this strange place called Wilpena Pound there in the Flinders Ranges. That was once sheep country.

Apparently the smoke haze goes 300 miles out. It has been almost a month of smoke, though those rainforest fires were much earlier. The afternoon light is yellow or orange, a bit like it is just before a big storm. Will this lead to some sort of change in the politics? It no longer seems (remotely) convincing to blame it on the greenies or young people eating smashed avocado and drinking lattes.

 

Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on December 6, 2019, at 10:05:34

In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia, posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 1:42:56

> South Australia is dry and hot in the north of that state. There is this strange place called Wilpena Pound there in the Flinders Ranges. That was once sheep country.
>
> Apparently the smoke haze goes 300 miles out. It has been almost a month of smoke, though those rainforest fires were much earlier. The afternoon light is yellow or orange, a bit like it is just before a big storm. Will this lead to some sort of change in the politics? It no longer seems (remotely) convincing to blame it on the greenies or young people eating smashed avocado and drinking lattes.

Blame it on the greenies? Because they are the messangers? Ffs.


The koalas :(


 

Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia

Posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 13:49:47

In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia sigismund, posted by beckett2 on December 6, 2019, at 10:05:34

>Because they are the messangers? Ffs.

There has not been enough back burning, mainly because there is no safe season in which to do it. People who are green love nature. There's too much of it and it is burning. So it is their fault.

Doesn't seem very impressive when I put it like that.

If you can smell the burning then the fire is close enough. Normally that's not the case.

There was a letter to the Sydney Morning g Herald once reminding greenies that wind farms may actually increase global warming by slowing down the earth's rotation, and which could, at an extreme, throw the earth off its axis.

 

Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia

Posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 13:55:15

In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia, posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 13:49:47

Let's see.....

http://google.org/crisismap/australia

 

Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia

Posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 13:57:32

In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia, posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 13:55:15

Normally the worst summer fires are in the south below Sydney, especially Victoria. Maybe it rained there?

 

Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia

Posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 14:28:27

In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia, posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 13:57:32

Some people are saying that it is the refugees lighting the fires. They became notorious here when it was perceived that they were the reason for long waiting times in public hospitals and traffic jams in Western Sydney. So only a short space from there to lighting all these fires.

The public hospitals and traffic jams comes from a Liberal MP. The refugees lighting fires is from the man up the road. Not very reassuring. Imagine when there is real pressure on people, not that there isn't now, but there wasn't real pressure to blame the refugees for traffic jams and hospital waiting lines. Sudanese youth gangs? Wearing hoodies!

I have a good excuse to stay inside all day. People say I should lay wet towels at the foot of the door (cancer?!) What an intellectual disgrace.

 

Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on December 8, 2019, at 1:29:39

In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia, posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 13:49:47

> >Because they are the messangers? Ffs.
>
> There has not been enough back burning, mainly because there is no safe season in which to do it. People who are green love nature. There's too much of it and it is burning. So it is their fault.
>
> Doesn't seem very impressive when I put it like that.
>
> If you can smell the burning then the fire is close enough. Normally that's not the case.

Ah, ok. We have that here, too. I thought you meant something like our green party. Would that roughly be ALP?

 

Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia

Posted by sigismund on December 8, 2019, at 15:01:21

In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia sigismund, posted by beckett2 on December 8, 2019, at 1:29:39

I just meant the way that 'greens' are characterised in some conversations and the more rabid media.

We have a couple of Green MPs. Probably similar enough to yours.

The Greens here operate like the left wing of the ALP.

 

And so it is Christmas

Posted by sigismund on December 9, 2019, at 11:31:48

In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia, posted by sigismund on December 8, 2019, at 15:01:21

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/09/theres-a-war-on-christmas-and-if-there-isnt-well-start-one

 

Re: And so it is Christmas sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on December 9, 2019, at 21:33:50

In reply to And so it is Christmas, posted by sigismund on December 9, 2019, at 11:31:48

> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/09/theres-a-war-on-christmas-and-if-there-isnt-well-start-one


You get the same flavor bs we do here. White people feel the oppression of non-eurocentrism.

This was pretty remarkable. I don't expect this kind of talk on the news.

You're familiar with Mitch McConnell (#moscowmitch) but not the other names... but they are just as bad, just not as powerful.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/09/houston-police-chief-mitch-mcconnell-ted-cruz-gun-laws-nra

I wonder what news will drop this xmas and new years eves.

 

Re: And so it is Christmas sigismund

Posted by Beckett2 on December 10, 2019, at 0:45:36

In reply to And so it is Christmas, posted by sigismund on December 9, 2019, at 11:31:48

Why is Morrison refusing extra help for the fire fighters? I dont understand it.

 

I don't believe he reads widely.

Posted by sigismund on December 10, 2019, at 13:53:20

In reply to Re: And so it is Christmas sigismund, posted by Beckett2 on December 10, 2019, at 0:45:36

>Why is Morrison refusing extra help for the fire fighters? I dont understand it.


His strategy might be to avoid the fires and concentrate on religious freedom. (That's the right to vilify gay people, I guess.)

Have to seen the photos of Sydney?

Scotty took the opportunity to relocate his family from Sydney to Perth. You might say this is not a good look.

Let's say Canberra burned down, or there was a continental fire.......then at least sections of the ruling class and the base would peel off.

It is astonishing. Anyway they can't blame the ALP this time, not that it deserves much credit. Those refugee arsonists and radical wokists will do their worst while decent ordinary Australians enjoy being patronised.

It is Tim Minchin's line.

 

Re: I don't believe he reads widely.

Posted by sigismund on December 10, 2019, at 14:34:46

In reply to I don't believe he reads widely., posted by sigismund on December 10, 2019, at 13:53:20

These are the sort of dynamics......

Queensland, the deep north, is the only state ever to elect a member of the Communist Party to Federal Parliament.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/12/10/whats-the-matter-with-america/

 

Re: I don't believe he reads widely.

Posted by sigismund on December 10, 2019, at 14:40:38

In reply to Re: I don't believe he reads widely., posted by sigismund on December 10, 2019, at 14:34:46

So Liberal really is a town in Kansas.

Andrew Bacevich came from Normal, Illinois.

 

Re: And so it is Christmas

Posted by sigismund on December 10, 2019, at 14:48:09

In reply to Re: And so it is Christmas sigismund, posted by beckett2 on December 9, 2019, at 21:33:50

>White people feel the oppression of non-eurocentrism.

So it seems.

(I like the European musical tradition. What else do they have in mind?)

It is the poor who should be worried, many of whom are white. They live on boats that the rising tide never lifted.

Speaking of rising tides.......

 

Re: I don't believe he reads widely.

Posted by sigismund on December 10, 2019, at 15:41:35

In reply to Re: I don't believe he reads widely., posted by sigismund on December 10, 2019, at 14:40:38

What I don't understand is that Christians, knowing and privately believing the science, would use the opportunity to militarise the borders so that they starve while making the problem worse and getting so much pleasure out of it.. (To say nothing of Obama militarising the police forces.)

The price of food commodities will be interesting to watch. But they are black, it's their own fault for having too many kids, slavery, colonialism and economic imperialism are beside the point.

What is in central Africa anyway, apart from those blacks who live above our minerals? How many US troops and bases (rules based international order) are there? How many Chinese?

 

Re: I don't believe he reads widely. sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on December 11, 2019, at 1:40:53

In reply to Re: I don't believe he reads widely., posted by sigismund on December 10, 2019, at 15:41:35

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/10/my-government-did-not-collapse-it-was-torn-down?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0F1c3RyYWxpYW5Qb2xpdGljcy0xOTEyMTA%3D&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=AustralianPolitics&CMP=aupolitics_email

This letter to the Guardian surprised me. What do you think? You guys aren't this bad off, are you?

Because of my upbringing, I have a general aversion to scripture. Recently, however, these lines come to mind often:

"And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized."

The election shocked me. As with trauma, my life now has a before and after. I feel sad but at times free.

 

Re: I don't believe he reads widely.

Posted by sigismund on December 11, 2019, at 16:28:51

In reply to Re: I don't believe he reads widely. sigismund, posted by beckett2 on December 11, 2019, at 1:40:53

Kevin Rudd's letter was about half right. However Rudd had a terrible temperament. It was the big wasted opportunity. When the backroom boys had him removed his government looked as if it was going into a tailspin. In any event they should have waited until the need was obvious, much more obvious so as to justify it.

Julia Gillard followed. She ran a good government and was treated terribly by the shock jocks, Murdoch press and Tony Abbott. (Ditch the witch, why doesn't someone put her in a bag and throw her over the edge of the boat?)

>"And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized."

That can be how cults end. If the leadership has been careful to make the followers complicit it will not likely be betrayed (Germany, Russia). Real and deep confusion. Imagine being born in Lviv at the turn of the century. War, revolution, more war, Poles, Germans, Russians with all their phantasmal enemies. I have been reading intermittently East West Street, unlinked at Amazon, about the 2 major political legal thinkers from there who developed 'crimes against humanity' and 'genocide' as legal concepts, used at Nuremberg.

Is Trump a cult leader? I think so. This world is made of cults and ponzi schemes. What interests me is how and why the scales fall from the eyes.

We grew up in a world with a bad and useful enemy and few lies were necessary beyond the acquisition myth...we got it because they did not use it. There are a lot more lies now. They say even LBJ was kept from knowing the truth about the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

The pattern of the moment is to turn everything into a culture war, whether it be fires, climate, the war on Christmas. First Dog territory. These things take a while to play out. Why you would want to do it this way when the edge is so close I don't know. Like you said, shoot the messenger. What you have in the US seems like projection as politics.

 

Re: I don't believe he reads widely. sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on December 12, 2019, at 18:39:35

In reply to Re: I don't believe he reads widely., posted by sigismund on December 11, 2019, at 16:28:51

>The pattern of the moment is to turn everything into a culture war, whether it be fires, climate, the war on Christmas. First Dog territory. These things take a while to play out. Why you would want to do it this way when the edge is so close I don't know. Like you said, shoot the messenger. What you have in the US seems like projection as politics.


This is what I am most pessimistic about.

 

hope and friendship sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on December 13, 2019, at 0:18:06

In reply to Re: I don't believe he reads widely., posted by sigismund on December 11, 2019, at 16:28:51

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/a-tribute-to-first-dog-on-the-moon-readers-who-make-me-the-countrys-most-beloved-post-war-cartoonist?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0ZpcnN0RG9nT25UaGVNb29uLTE5MTIxMw%3D%3D&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=firstdog_email&utm_campaign=FirstDogOnTheMoon

 

Re: hope and friendship

Posted by sigismund on December 13, 2019, at 18:43:03

In reply to hope and friendship sigismund, posted by beckett2 on December 13, 2019, at 0:18:06

An American woman in Boston, confronted with my wife's recitation of these problems replied 'Small acts of kindness will have to see us through', which sounds wrong, kind and comforting all at once.

For every human problem there is a solution to make it worse, and the fact that these are seriously entertained is the hardest for me. Rivers drying up? Need more dams, rather than another form of agriculture. Base load electricity? Nuclear power. I'm sure there is a long list, or you could half remember them, make them up. Global warming? Fill the atmosphere with sulphur dioxide. Because we need to act out our tribal hatred? Freud had, as well as Thanatos an idea about 'the narcissism of small differences'.

Rivers drying up, tradable water rights......not so far from what Bechtel was doing in Cochabamba, Bolivia.....privatise the rain. Everything is commodified. Could I sell myself to someone else and rent myself back (income stream).....who has the energy for this nonsense? That's what happened to our biggest river. The family farmers rightly feel it is sinful for water to be wasted while the communities and animals go without. But it is where these policies (and corruption) have left us.

 

Re: hope and friendship sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on December 13, 2019, at 20:43:53

In reply to Re: hope and friendship, posted by sigismund on December 13, 2019, at 18:43:03

> An American woman in Boston, confronted with my wife's recitation of these problems replied 'Small acts of kindness will have to see us through', which sounds wrong, kind and comforting all at once.
>
> For every human problem there is a solution to make it worse, and the fact that these are seriously entertained is the hardest for me. Rivers drying up? Need more dams, rather than another form of agriculture. Base load electricity? Nuclear power. I'm sure there is a long list, or you could half remember them, make them up. Global warming? Fill the atmosphere with sulphur dioxide. Because we need to act out our tribal hatred? Freud had, as well as Thanatos an idea about 'the narcissism of small differences'.
>
> Rivers drying up, tradable water rights......not so far from what Bechtel was doing in Cochabamba, Bolivia.....privatise the rain. Everything is commodified. Could I sell myself to someone else and rent myself back (income stream).....who has the energy for this nonsense? That's what happened to our biggest river. The family farmers rightly feel it is sinful for water to be wasted while the communities and animals go without. But it is where these policies (and corruption) have left us.
>
>

The Guardian reported on a water bottling company (Coca Cola?) stealing water or buying up farmland to 'water mine'. Is this an exaggeration? Stealing water in the night and a school being closed for lack of water. (California, mind you, has a dark history of water rights. From the state that brought you some of the best noirs.)

My thoughts were about crops. If the farm is purchased for water mining (why can't farmers water mine?) then who is growing the wheat?. Oh, nevermind. Import some.

On other topics, the poem "First They Came For Me" was brought up in a conversation. I wonder if that prose poem structure works for food supplies. "Then there was no one left to grow for me."

 

Re: hope and friendship

Posted by alexandra_k on December 13, 2019, at 20:58:20

In reply to Re: hope and friendship, posted by sigismund on December 13, 2019, at 18:43:03

I think it is a bargaining strategy.

Here is a way of doing business:

Advertised for $1000
'I'll give you $1 for it'
'$999'
'2'
'998'
'3'
...
End up settling on a fair price but with the addition of many many many many hours of wasted labor for meetings and negotiations.

Here is another way of doing business:

Status quo.
'I suggest you change the status quo to something better'
'We counter your suggestion with something worse than the status quo'
Many many hours of meetings and negotiations.

Status quo.

Status quo, with the additional cost of all the meetings and negotiations.

Being paid by the hour for meetings and negotiations at exotic locations around the world:

Criminal.


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