Psycho-Babble Politics Thread 1105592

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Empathy

Posted by sigismund on August 3, 2019, at 10:27:15

Not much of that around since GWB. He was really good at not feeling any, but it is a long historical project.

https://johnmenadue.com/mark-buckley-unfunded-empathy/

 

Re: Empathy sigismund

Posted by Beckett2 on August 3, 2019, at 20:21:32

In reply to Empathy, posted by sigismund on August 3, 2019, at 10:27:15

For some reason, Im unable to sign up for their newsletter. Ive tried before.

Theres a case the GWB was more compassionate than the Conservative party in general. I must find an article I read about this. Been bothering me where I read this.

Theres still time for you guys.

 

Re: Empathy

Posted by alexandra_k on August 4, 2019, at 5:22:38

In reply to Empathy, posted by sigismund on August 3, 2019, at 10:27:15

Yep, that's right, again. I made a list of all the vacant one-bedroom apartments (''Quest'' and ''Waldorf'' and similar hotel chains) that have kitchens and bathrooms and laundry facilities in the apartments and air conditioners... That were all empty. All empty. All vacant rooms. All rooms to be given to ''temporary'' tourists or people travelling on business... While the ''likes of me'' are forced into boarding houses with people who are waiting to go to drug treatment or who are fresh out of drug treatment or jail or whatever...

I think we are finding out ''class-based'' roots...

I think it comes from trauma. I have been thinking a lot, recently, about considering groups as persons. Considering a people or a cultural group as a person. To consider the trauma of the holocaust for the Ashkenazi Jewish Culture (I don't know that that is the right way to put that). How seeing things through that lens / those people through that lens.. Led to development of psychoanalytic theory. It was largely a Jewish thing...

And it was criticised for that. I mean... The 'universal' insights, or whatever, were thought to be not universal but peculiar to a smaller group of people in less of a time...

But I have been thinking about the trauma involved in growing up in New Zealand. Most of us grew up in houses that were very very very cold and humid. It is a cold that you really feel deep in your lungs and also in your bones. I more recently learned about the fungi that will get deep in your lungs and also in your bones. It is... Well... A concretization of the feeling... The intense feeling of pain and of something being wrong a physiological body crying about the pain in the lungs and the bones. From being cold.

It is a very traumatising environment. Which is odd, right, because the temperature isn't as harsh as the cold of Canada or the heat of Florida or whatever. But we don't have the infrastructure precisely because it isn't harsh enoguh to kill you quickly. It is harsh enough to torment you and traumatise you...

And then there is this trauma bonding thing that people do...

Like... x has suffered. X validates their own suffering by inflicting that which made them suffer on others and seeing that that which is inflicted on others makes others suffer, too. The person then feels some kind of goodness in trauma bonding. That is a way of them validating the suffering of their inner child. Something like that.

People become more invested in trauma bonding than in removing the source of the trauma. More invested in trauma bonding than in helping others avoid the trauma.

That's why it feels constantly like people are dragging back and down dragging back and down. The people want to be all 'it hurts - see!' and live there in that state.

I remember that when I first moved to Australia. The trauma of arriving in Australia. The... Regression. I remember being 'things are much better for me, here'. But then feeling I didn't deserve somehow. Was an imposter somehow. Didn't belong somehow. Then feeling all kinds of bad for feeling like... Relaxing into things. Being happy into things. Would be doing a dis-service to my inner child. I needed to trauma bond with my inner child from a better place for a while. Which made me... A toxic person to others. I see that.

Anyway...

Try and minimise time spend with the toxic and stay on track...

What occurred to me was that people ran away from the UK. Were sent away as criminals or fled... Left there for a better life. The people who weren't valued back home. Now... They seem to think it is their turn to inflict that which they fled on others...

There absolutely is a 'us vs them' thing in NZ. In Dunedin it was very apparent that there was a group of people (white New Zealanders) kept in inter-generational poverty.

The people in suits... Always struck me as something 'monkey in a suit' about them. Because that was where they came from... But more than that... Because they buy into the hierarchical squabbling way of life...

 

Re: Empathy

Posted by sigismund on August 4, 2019, at 8:26:53

In reply to Re: Empathy, posted by alexandra_k on August 4, 2019, at 5:22:38

>But I have been thinking about the trauma involved in growing up in New Zealand. Most of us grew up in houses that were very very very cold and humid. It is a cold that you really feel deep in your lungs and also in your bones. I more recently learned about the fungi that will get deep in your lungs and also in your bones. It is... Well... A concretization of the feeling... The intense feeling of pain and of something being wrong a physiological body crying about the pain in the lungs and the bones. From being cold.

I was surprised how generally crappy NZ houses were for the climate. Poorer country? Less to loot? No gold rush? Earthquakes? The natives were harder to kill?

Humidity with cold, famous from England, was something new until I got to know Wellington. Wood rot.

I was reading in a Peruvian book something along the lines of....Unlike the British who exterminated the natives, the Spanish saved their souls and enslaved them. I read a different perspective of the holocaust in central Turkey. The propaganda from mainstream Australia I can recite in my sleep. Something different......

http://thesaker.is/war-gaming-the-persian-gulf-conflict/


 

Re: Empathy

Posted by alexandra_k on August 5, 2019, at 9:16:17

In reply to Re: Empathy, posted by sigismund on August 4, 2019, at 8:26:53

I am afraid I don't understand the link, at all. That happens for me on politics, sometimes. Things go over my head and I simply don't follow.

I think the building construction thing is a combination of poverty and a comparatively cheap supply of wood that is used for low density housing and probably something to do with our lack of skilled engineers / construction people, too.

Older places vary... Some of them do use heated water and central heating systems. Others of them have fire places instead, however, which are largely now out of commission. I don't know why fire places were installed instead of central heating systems.

We cannot organise for a properly functioning aluminum smelter, apparently. So most of our construction material that is not cheap wood is imported from Australia. I mean, I think we can do sand for concrete. Though perhaps not so much if you look at the state of our roads. I am fairly sure our roads are toxic waste sludge dumps of soft substances that need to be applied over and over and over and over and over by ex-prisoners in the attempt to take years and years of their life expectancy more than anything else...

Apparently Hawkins Construction went bankrupt somehow. Was brought out by something Australian. Downer. Now Downer advertisements are up all over... Well... In Work and Income Offices. Pass your drug test... Work for Downer Construction. The aluminum for the high rises is coming in from Australia or something.

Downer is the mining people - yes?

That used to be a thing. New Zealand young-ish men would go to Australia for a time to work in the mines. Good money to be sending home for a family... I don't know if New Zealanders are still doing that.

We don't have jobs for our people.

Can't organise anything, at all.

 

Re: Empathy

Posted by alexandra_k on August 5, 2019, at 9:20:16

In reply to Re: Empathy, posted by sigismund on August 4, 2019, at 8:26:53

https://www.downergroup.com/defence

Well, there we go. I knew we could not organise a military.

 

Re: Empathy

Posted by alexandra_k on August 5, 2019, at 10:13:46

In reply to Re: Empathy, posted by alexandra_k on August 5, 2019, at 9:20:16

https://www.lostinsilverfern.com/2017/06/22/why-no-central-heating-in-nz/

The blog post explains it: New Zealanders either can't or don't want to fork out for central heating systems for their homes. It is seen as a luxury item. People rubbish rubbish rubbish pooh pooh the World Health Organisation guidelines on 18 for sleeping and 20-21 for living.

The Government recently introducted legislation that landlords are required to provide a source of heating that is able to heat the main living area to 18 degrees. The World Health Organisation says that 18 degrees is for sleeping, though.

I guess the idea is to keep people frozen out of their bedrooms and cold enough for communal sleeping. You have to work really hard to have the women and children accept that their very own bed is not something that they want to have...

I imagine we want to do longitudinal studies on how Aspergillous grows in 18 degrees communal sleeping environments, now. Compared to how it grew in less than 18 degrees communal sleeping environments, before. Then, after a couple generations we can see how much we can improve things by having 18 degrees in bedrooms... Only 9 or 10 generations before we have 18 degrees and every child gets their very own bed!


Nasty country.

Auckland actually isn't all that much warmer than Dunedin. I mean to say that I brought a digital room thermometer and my house is around 14 or 16 degrees.

I am so f*ck*ng tired of needing to cry for basic needs all the f*ck*ng time because the government officials are too busy trying to make their own personal fortunes off of being slum landlords.

I know they choose not to heat their own homes... Then say that the money they saved by their choosing to be thrifty was the money they used to leverage their getting to become slum landlords...

But the fact they didn't legislate to prevent precisely that (the fact they chose to profiteer from it) should be criminal.

In some court or other.

Surely.

I wonder if they would prefer Downer to manage their detention facility or would rather their cronies managed it?

I suspect that tells you everything you need to know...


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