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Posted by Dr. Bob on October 28, 2002, at 22:14:30
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> an aside that belongs on faith regarding our discussion about what faith means: "firm belief in something for which there is no proof." Herein lies the semantical problem of our discussion. You were arguing that faith flies in the face of evidence to the contrary. My point was that we couldn't prove that NO god existed. Faith is really a belief in something that can't be proven, not that can be proven otherwise.
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> That's all. Have a nice day.
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> beardy
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 29, 2002, at 23:36:01
In reply to semantical problem « BeardedLady, posted by Dr. Bob on October 28, 2002, at 22:14:30
> > an aside that belongs on faith regarding our discussion about what faith means: "firm belief in something for which there is no proof." Herein lies the semantical problem of our discussion. You were arguing that faith flies in the face of evidence to the contrary. My point was that we couldn't prove that NO god existed. Faith is really a belief in something that can't be proven, not that can be proven otherwise.
I agree, but I'd see that as two different types of faith:
> I suppose we have 3 subtypes so far: (1) eyes-closed faith, (2) faith with no evidence either way, or with conflicting evidence, and (3) faith with evidence to the contrary.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20021001/msgs/1143.html
Bob
Posted by BeardedLady on October 30, 2002, at 6:25:48
In reply to Re: semantical problem, posted by Dr. Bob on October 29, 2002, at 23:36:01
> > > ME: Faith is really a belief in something that can't be proven, not that can be proven otherwise.
> YOU: I agree, but I'd see that as two different types of faith:
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> >YOUR EXAMPLE: I suppose we have 3 subtypes so far: (1) eyes-closed faith, (2) faith with no evidence either way, or with conflicting evidence, and (3) faith with evidence to the contrary.That looks like three different types to me! Which one were you eliminating? I agree about eyes closed faith, but it's not eyes closed faith in something with evidence to the contrary. I think all the "evidence to the contrary" faith isn't faith; it's, well, a word I can't say.
beardy
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 30, 2002, at 18:26:55
In reply to Re: semantical problem » Dr. Bob, posted by BeardedLady on October 30, 2002, at 6:25:48
> YOU: Faith is really a belief in something that can't be proven, not that can be proven otherwise.
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> ME: I agree, but I'd see that as two different types of faith:
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> MY EXAMPLE: I suppose we have 3 subtypes so far: (1) eyes-closed faith, (2) faith with no evidence either way, or with conflicting evidence, and (3) faith with evidence to the contrary.
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> YOU: That looks like three different types to me! Which one were you eliminating?Belief in something that can't be proven would be number 2, and belief in something that can be proven otherwise would be number 3.
> I think all the "evidence to the contrary" faith isn't faith; it's, well, a word I can't say.
Really strong faith? Well, maybe we shouldn't get into that again...
Bob
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