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Posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2006, at 11:42:46
In reply to Re: Thank you » justyourlaugh, posted by AuntieMel on March 24, 2006, at 13:10:26
> I have removed it. Dr. Bob can always override me and restore it if he disagrees.
I agree, it's inappropriate and a case could be made for deleting it, but my general policy is not to do that, plus it was replied to and discussed at the time.
JYL, I'm sorry you feel hurt.
Bob
Posted by justyourlaugh on March 29, 2006, at 9:31:44
In reply to Re: restored it, posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2006, at 11:42:46
i am speachless..
Posted by muffled on March 29, 2006, at 9:54:47
In reply to Re: restored it, posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2006, at 11:42:46
> > I have removed it. Dr. Bob can always override me and restore it if he disagrees.
>
> I agree, it's inappropriate and a case could be made for deleting it, but my general policy is not to do that, plus it was replied to and discussed at the time.***we were in SHOCK.
SO WHY???????????????????????
This place is only about POLICY??????????
We are PEOPLE Dr. Bob, hurting PEOPLE. We EXIST.
>
> JYL, I'm sorry you feel hurt.***Dr. Bob...are you REALLY sorry? Sorry but I just can't beleive that you are. WHY would you choose to keep ONE harmful post on the board over deleteing it? ONE post. When you know for a FACT it is hurtung people.
My guess is its in the name of science.
My guess is that you want it for posterity and don't want to lose it.
My guess is that you think you might want to use it one day for your studies.
My guess is that you DON'T really care, cuz if you did, you'd remove it. There is just no other reason.
Unless this is yet ANoTHER test. To see how we react to what you've done.....
My guess is that you won't give me a decent answer to my question.
I am EXTREEMLY dissapointed.
I could vent my anger and tell you JUST what I think of this decision, but I trying to be calm.
Calm.
Posted by LegWarmers on March 29, 2006, at 10:30:12
In reply to Re: restored it, posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2006, at 11:42:46
> > I have removed it. Dr. Bob can always override me and restore it if he disagrees.
>
> I agree, it's inappropriate and a case could be made for deleting it, but my general policy is not to do that, plus it was replied to and discussed at the time.
>
> JYL, I'm sorry you feel hurt.
>
> Bob
Bob, sometimes the person as opposed to the thread is more important. In this case that seems to fit. Even in the case of a post potentially ruining person's career/life, Im not sure you would delete what htey consider to be the relevent information, unless you see it as such. This is a person's feelings, someone who understandably was hurt by this!! Why would you restore what the majority on this thread seemed to agree was unacceptable???
I'm glad I won't have my computer for awhile. Im really sorry JYL, that post upset me so much the first time I read it and again still does even without names so I can only imagine how you feel.
This fees like unneccesary meaness to me. Is that civil? I don't know, i can't keep track of what is ok and what isn't, and I don't care today.
Posted by wildcard11 on March 29, 2006, at 10:53:25
In reply to Re: restored it » Dr. Bob, posted by LegWarmers on March 29, 2006, at 10:30:12
JYL had NOTHING to do w/ what that post said, yet she hurts from it and has expressed it strongly. The poster has even asked it be deleted. Why delete the personal info. that they provided but not the hurtful things said??? That post helps no one being available!
Posted by ClearSkies on March 29, 2006, at 12:44:30
In reply to Re: restored it, posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2006, at 11:42:46
Wow, I wish I was surprised at this turn.
But I'm not.I am so sorry, justyourlaugh.
Posted by muffled on March 29, 2006, at 13:20:08
In reply to Re: restored it, posted by ClearSkies on March 29, 2006, at 12:44:30
Posted by ClearSkies on March 29, 2006, at 15:10:17
In reply to you sure you'd want to be a deputy? (nm) » ClearSkies, posted by muffled on March 29, 2006, at 13:20:08
I am in a stable enough place now to be able to read most posts without being triggered, or to find most arguments here distressing anymore. Yes, *I* said that! If that isn't progress, well I don't know what is.
Deputies are posters just like anyone else - they are entitled to disagree with Dr Bob. He administers the boards the way he'd like them to be run, regardless of popular opinion. I wonder what AuntieMel thinks of this?
(((muffled))) sorry you are hurting over it.
ClearSkies
Posted by Phillipa on March 29, 2006, at 22:52:23
In reply to Yes » muffled, posted by ClearSkies on March 29, 2006, at 15:10:17
That can't be on admin? it is horrible so sorry jyl. I would delete it in a heartbeat if I could. you said it's on admin? Looking for it now. Love Phillipa
Posted by AuntieMel on March 30, 2006, at 12:03:01
In reply to Yes » muffled, posted by ClearSkies on March 29, 2006, at 15:10:17
AuntieMel is sad.
I'm so sorry, JYL. Maybe it would have been better if I'd just let it lie. (lay?)
Posted by wildcard11 on March 31, 2006, at 10:55:24
i see NO support OR education in that post. it has upset her and she has strongly expressed that. why delete the personal info. for safety reasons but not delete the post for *her* safety reason????
Posted by muffled on March 31, 2006, at 11:21:14
In reply to The post to JYL should be DELETED!!!!!, posted by wildcard11 on March 31, 2006, at 10:55:24
> i see NO support OR education in that post. it has upset her and she has strongly expressed that. why delete the personal info. for safety reasons but not delete the post for *her* safety reason????
***I vote it should be deleted.
Posted by Phillipa on March 31, 2006, at 11:38:43
In reply to Re: The post to JYL should be DELETED!!!!!, posted by muffled on March 31, 2006, at 11:21:14
Delete the post. Love Phillipa
Posted by Sobriquet Style on March 31, 2006, at 11:50:50
In reply to Re: The post to JYL should be DELETED!!!!!, posted by Phillipa on March 31, 2006, at 11:38:43
The rules say Dr Bob may - "delete posts I see as particularly inappropriate"
Perhaps it would be helpful if it could be explained how its appropriate eg the group, which posters or lurkers, if he chooses to keep it?
If its removed, theres no need :-)
~
Posted by gabbi~1 on March 31, 2006, at 15:26:24
In reply to Re: The post to JYL should be DELETED!!!!!, posted by Sobriquet Style on March 31, 2006, at 11:50:50
> The rules say Dr Bob may - "delete posts I see as particularly inappropriate"
>I think the fact that there is that particular exception in the FAQ and yet Dr. Bob refused to remove the post would make me feel particularly hurt and insulted if I were JYL. It's like he's saying he didn't find the post "grossly inappropriate" , and that makes me wonder exactly what would fall under that description.
Dinah, thank you for at least ensuring the identifying information was deleted.
Posted by sleepygirl on March 31, 2006, at 17:25:46
In reply to The post to JYL should be DELETED!!!!!, posted by wildcard11 on March 31, 2006, at 10:55:24
Posted by TofuEmmy on March 31, 2006, at 17:31:29
In reply to The post to JYL should be DELETED!!!!!, posted by wildcard11 on March 31, 2006, at 10:55:24
If I've followed this saga correctly, one of the deputies deleted the post - apparently without Bob's agreement. And then Bob dug it up from it's grave. Right?
Bob appears to be a bit...um...how do I say this nicely....controlling? So, I'm guessing that the deletion really annoyed Bob. Perhaps that is why he isn't backing down.
emmy
Posted by madeline on March 31, 2006, at 18:31:35
In reply to Re: The post to JYL should be DELETED!!!!!, posted by gabbi~1 on March 31, 2006, at 15:26:24
I don't know. The more we talk about that horrible post, the more power it still has, over JYL and us all.
I wonder if it might be better if we just left well enough alone.
JYL what do you want us to do?
Posted by special_k on March 31, 2006, at 19:06:22
In reply to Is this helping or hurting JYL?, posted by madeline on March 31, 2006, at 18:31:35
polls tend to be divisive
(however you spell that)
just something i've learned...i think the general notion is that...
it is one thing to express support for the poster
(which people have been doing)and it is another thing to start going off to bob about it
(which tends to lead to blockings)re being controlling.
hahahahahahah
i've been making the same observation.
bob doesn't want people to help him moderate the boards...
he wants people to read his mind and do what he would do were he here...
he wants people to step in to support him when the boards seem to be turning against him...
i don't think he knows quite what he wants re the deputies.hence the fun and games around their appoitment.
sigh.
just please god don't let things turn into the little group of moderators looking out for the slightly bigger but still small group of 'annointed people' like there is at this other site i know...
sigh.
still... if things get wound up...
maybe bob will come back?
?
maybe...
Posted by madeline on March 31, 2006, at 19:14:16
In reply to Re: Is this helping or hurting JYL?, posted by special_k on March 31, 2006, at 19:06:22
I hear what you are saying and do understand.
I was hoping instead of a poll, JYL could express an opinion. It's totally up to her though.
Posted by Dinah on March 31, 2006, at 19:25:40
In reply to Re: Is this helping or hurting JYL?, posted by special_k on March 31, 2006, at 19:06:22
You don't really think that would happen, do you?
I really do try to do only what I think Dr. Bob would do, and if I'm in doubt I try to err on the side of doing less. I couldn't be a deputy otherwise. It would be too much like being poor Dr. Bob.
And I do give friends PBC's.
Posted by special_k on March 31, 2006, at 19:48:24
In reply to Re: Is this helping or hurting JYL? » special_k, posted by Dinah on March 31, 2006, at 19:25:40
> You don't really think that would happen, do you?
the small group of moderators looking out for their friends? no i don't think it would. but it is what i see happening at another site i know (in fact i have been sent personal messages by a variety of people to that effect 'you know your posts get deleted because a couple of people in the inner circle have decided they don't like you and so all they have to do is complain or escalate your threads and they get locked / deleted so you better be nice to them or you will just keep on getting locked / deleted'). i thought they were full of it for a while... but now i see... yeah they are full of it... but you know what... they are also right. correctomundo. that is how things seem to work. and the main moderator has just kind of pulled back and left them to it except to go off (i mean really go off) 'how dare you come to my site and plagarise...' not that i was but you get the general gist. and no i don't think things would be like that here... but i don't know i don't know.
> I really do try to do only what I think Dr. Bob would do, and if I'm in doubt I try to err on the side of doing less. I couldn't be a deputy otherwise. It would be too much like being poor Dr. Bob.yeah. so being a deputy is like being dr bob?
that is kind of my point. being a deputy isn't like being dinah. and doing what dinah thinks is best. and getting some respect from bob on that score. being a deputy is like being dr bob.have you heard the story about the plum who tried to be a peach or whatever.
sigh. i dunno.
see... you guys would be best to study the faq's than read a book on civility. because it is all about trying to do what dr bob would do were he here... and we know he has a very idiosyncratic notion of civility huh? i mean when a guest expert on conflict resolution comes close to being branded uncivil... that kind of tells you that dr bob has a very idiosyncratic notion of civility indeed...
and that is fine that is his perogative.
but when people get blocked for lengthy periods of time...
when he can't even let auntiemel delete this post (he granted she had good reason) it was just that it wasn't what he wanted to do. well imo that shows immense disrespect for auntiemel and i think kudos for her for showing a bit of initiative and having a mind of her own.
sigh.
you know i have immense respect for you dinah. always.
> And I do give friends PBC's.
of course you do.
i know you do.and i know you would block me if i seriously crossed the line.
and i respect you for not being too quick to jump the gun as well...
my bugbear isn't with the deputies / prospective deputies...
it is with bob...
Posted by wildcard11 on March 31, 2006, at 19:57:56
In reply to Re: Is this helping or hurting JYL? » special_k, posted by madeline on March 31, 2006, at 19:14:16
JYL has spoken and Dr.Bob did not "hear" her...Auntie Mel did though. As a poster here, if i were in this situation, i would feel good that people here took a stand for me. "WE" made a difference re: Larry's block and if we don't try to make a difference for JYL, we will never know...
Posted by special_k on March 31, 2006, at 20:00:35
In reply to Re: Is this helping or hurting JYL?, posted by special_k on March 31, 2006, at 19:48:24
i'm not convinced the transition from rule by one to rule by a few needs to involve labelling the single ruler as a tyrant and a violent overthrowing.
i don't see why it can't be more of a peaceful transition... and why the one ruler can't become part of the few who are ruling...
but if you think it must be violent...
maybe what you expect drives your actions...
and your actions are going to be interpreted in this way...ever thought that buying into plato's description might mean you do the self fulfilling prophecy thing?
why dr bob?
psychological necessity...
is there something about hte power that makes it harder to ease off...or what is up with that???
Posted by special_k on March 31, 2006, at 20:03:41
In reply to YES this is helping, posted by wildcard11 on March 31, 2006, at 19:57:56
> "WE" made a difference re: Larry's block and if we don't try to make a difference for JYL, we will never know...
ah... precedent has been set.
or at least we are indeed left to speculation as he hasn't said anything about why on earth larry got leniency...
well...
there was the 'love' aspect.
i wonder if that will feature here too...
lol.
sigh.
am i really doing this...
what is up with me...
i do respect ya bob...
but you are hard to fathom sometimes...
hurry back...
or maybe you plan to let the deputies handle it then come along and overthrow their decisions?
(er... what kinds of acts tend to lead to one being classified as a 'tyrant' do ya think???)
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