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Posted by Lamdage22 on March 7, 2021, at 10:22:28
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea, posted by Lamdage22 on March 7, 2021, at 9:59:51
He has his own schedule, too. Sometimes patience is needed.
Posted by undopaminergic on March 7, 2021, at 10:58:26
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea, posted by Lamdage22 on March 7, 2021, at 10:22:28
> He has his own schedule, too. Sometimes patience is needed.
Eternity is his schedule...
It's hard to know whether he is rejecting your requests (prayers) or is just taking his time, or maybe he knows your problem will be resolved in the future without his help, maybe through your own efforts.
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Posted by Lamdage22 on March 7, 2021, at 13:38:17
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea, posted by undopaminergic on March 7, 2021, at 10:58:26
Well it is hard to know anything about God... Personally, I don't think "turn the other cheek" is a good rule. It just perpetuates abuse and saying that to people is a good way of keeping them under control. Am I wrong?
Posted by undopaminergic on March 8, 2021, at 2:37:57
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea, posted by Lamdage22 on March 7, 2021, at 13:38:17
> Well it is hard to know anything about God... Personally, I don't think "turn the other cheek" is a good rule. It just perpetuates abuse and saying that to people is a good way of keeping them under control. Am I wrong?
>I don't think so, but if everyone did it, all would be great.
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Posted by Lamdage22 on March 8, 2021, at 4:37:24
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea, posted by undopaminergic on March 8, 2021, at 2:37:57
Evil people won't.
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Posted by Lamdage22 on March 8, 2021, at 4:44:48
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea, posted by Lamdage22 on March 8, 2021, at 4:37:24
I think all would be great if the cheeks remained unscathed!
Posted by undopaminergic on March 8, 2021, at 5:28:02
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea, posted by Lamdage22 on March 8, 2021, at 4:37:24
Note that I said "if".
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Posted by undopaminergic on March 8, 2021, at 5:30:18
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea, posted by Lamdage22 on March 8, 2021, at 4:44:48
> I think all would be great if the cheeks remained unscathed!
If everyone was as pacifistic as Jesus, then no cheeks would be getting hit or even slapped.
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Posted by Lamdage22 on March 8, 2021, at 6:38:08
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea, posted by undopaminergic on March 8, 2021, at 5:30:18
Yeah, but what if we germans turn the other cheek to our government? We will still have to do social distancing in 5 years.
Posted by undopaminergic on March 8, 2021, at 7:18:38
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea, posted by Lamdage22 on March 8, 2021, at 6:38:08
> Yeah, but what if we germans turn the other cheek to our government? We will still have to do social distancing in 5 years.
>I didn't understand that.
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Posted by Lamdage22 on March 8, 2021, at 12:10:57
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea, posted by undopaminergic on March 8, 2021, at 7:18:38
The corona management is very poor in Germany. First, no masks, then no vaccinations and now no quick tests. The government is failing all the time.
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 11, 2021, at 2:45:39
In reply to I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea, posted by jay2112 on February 26, 2021, at 0:31:43
Ok, suicidal crisis. I would strongly recommend Lithium as a supplement!!! There is no harm in trying. At least not with a low dose. Even if you are not at risk of doing it, these thoughts really hurt!
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 11, 2021, at 2:47:27
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis..., posted by Lamdage22 on March 11, 2021, at 2:45:39
I would try for a week or two. For me the effect was quicker, but you never know
Posted by jay2112 on March 11, 2021, at 4:51:25
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis..., posted by Lamdage22 on March 11, 2021, at 2:45:39
> Ok, suicidal crisis. I would strongly recommend Lithium as a supplement!!! There is no harm in trying. At least not with a low dose. Even if you are not at risk of doing it, these thoughts really hurt!
I tried all doses of lithium, on it's own..etc...and it is hit and miss...one day works...next week blah. And, it KILLS my stomach!! I end up vomiting blood, almost EVERYTIME I take it..with/without food, with gravol/drammamine, ginger...nothing stops it!!
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 11, 2021, at 7:07:02
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis... » Lamdage22, posted by jay2112 on March 11, 2021, at 4:51:25
Oh... so you didnt feel less suicidal? Nothing works for everybody unfortunately. It is a tough feeling, but hang in there. I got over it for the most part. What other avenues are you working on?
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 11, 2021, at 7:10:50
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis..., posted by Lamdage22 on March 11, 2021, at 7:07:02
How is your nutrition? Sun exposure? Sometimes when nothing works the culprit is a lack (or less often an excess) of nutrients. Even with a normal diet.
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 12, 2021, at 2:13:34
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis..., posted by Lamdage22 on March 11, 2021, at 7:10:50
You can't fix a lack of certain nutrients with meds. Not long term. And it is more prevalent than most people think, especially if you are not healthy. Clearly, depression usually leads to an unhealthy lifestyle, which worsens the problem even more.
Posted by SLS on April 6, 2021, at 16:53:57
In reply to I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea, posted by jay2112 on February 26, 2021, at 0:31:43
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> Jay (deeply, deeply, sad....)First of all, you should look at what you have already experienced. If you have ever been in this suicidal state before, then you know, one way or another, the worst of it will pass. Hopefully, you won't feel yourself being drawn towards suicide anymore. It will pass, I guarantee it. You might still feel crappy, but for now, crappy is better than feeling that suicide is inevitable. It's not. Try to keep your anxiety level as low as possible. Maybe you can figure out what thoughts are best to avoid or not take seriously. Avoid anxiety and thoughts that overwhelm you. Do things that either distract you from your negative thoughts or that genuinely put a smile on your face.
Easier said than done! I've done it, though.
Zyprexa, in my silly opinion, can be used as an emergency anti-suicide drug, but use it as a very temporary treatment strategy.
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Posted by Lamdage22 on April 22, 2021, at 10:02:21
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea » jay2112, posted by SLS on April 6, 2021, at 16:53:57
That sounds much more positive now. Glad you are better, SLS! I agree with you, it does pass.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2021, at 2:46:57
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea » jay2112, posted by SLS on April 6, 2021, at 16:53:57
Not sure, avoiding bad thoughts can make them haunt you subconsciously. Of course you mustn't dwell on them, but yeah, there are different strategies. Psychologists argue about them. There is no one size fits all. I would find somebody to talk about those thoughts, if you can.
Posted by SLS on April 28, 2021, at 12:59:59
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea, posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2021, at 2:46:57
> Not sure, avoiding bad thoughts can make them haunt you subconsciously. Of course you mustn't dwell on them, but yeah, there are different strategies. Psychologists argue about them. There is no one size fits all. I would find somebody to talk about those thoughts, if you can.
Hi, Lambage22.I have been away because I am feeling better. I'll come on the board soon and catch up.
I am most impressed with your thinking and writing. Do you feel that you are progressing as a human being? It seems that way to me.
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 28, 2021, at 21:38:24
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea » Lamdage22, posted by SLS on April 28, 2021, at 12:59:59
Hey Scott,
that is awesome. You sounded so hopeless not that long ago. Yeah I guess you could say that I am making progress. Thanks. What really helps is having a psychologist with whom I can about what truly occupies my mind. I found I can't do that with CBT Therapists. They always changed the subject. Not sure if it is safe to say that all CBT Therapists here are that way.
And if I want to improve something biologically, I am looking almost exclusively at alternative treatments. I haven't changed meds since 2016. And made the most progress ever in those 5 years. In 2016 Trazodone was added, but it pooped out partially. Think I started supplementing in 2018. Found out I had deficiencies.
Everyones way to better health is different. What do you think made you better now?
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Posted by Lamdage22 on April 28, 2021, at 21:49:28
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea, posted by Lamdage22 on April 28, 2021, at 21:38:24
"Nothing will ever make me better" is almost certainly an illusion.
Posted by undopaminergic on April 29, 2021, at 0:15:23
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea, posted by Lamdage22 on April 28, 2021, at 21:38:24
> What really helps is having a psychologist with whom I can about what truly occupies my mind. I found I can't do that with CBT Therapists. They always changed the subject. Not sure if it is safe to say that all CBT Therapists here are that way.
>So, what kind of therapy are you getting now instead of CBT?
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Posted by Lamdage22 on April 29, 2021, at 1:40:45
In reply to Re: I am going through a suicidal crisis....help, plea, posted by undopaminergic on April 29, 2021, at 0:15:23
Analytic therapy. It is not to say we never talk about behavior though. It is just not focused on that as much as CBT would be. There is a couch to lie on, but I don't use it :)
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