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Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k

Posted by Phillipa on February 15, 2021, at 23:00:40

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on February 15, 2021, at 22:19:45

Hi Alex, both vaccines Pfizer & Moderna you sign consent so you can't attempt to sue is my guess if it turns out that it causes you immune system to over react and attack your own body organs and that produces for one thing a cytokine storm. As for why New Zealand needs to vaccinate I would guess it's to prevent an endemic. I googled New Zealand and Covid last night and saw the lockdown was for only three days. Just that one family and didn't the Mother they found out work doing laundry new the airlines or something like that. I still have my doubts on the vaccine. I was on some threads discussions on the vaccines with those that live in my area and one man was very knowledgeable . He's not getting one he said till Sept. Also Johnson & Johnson one should be released here soon. And that one is only 1 shot. Might wait for that one. Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by alexandra_k on February 17, 2021, at 18:48:14

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on February 15, 2021, at 23:00:40

> Hi Alex, both vaccines Pfizer & Moderna you sign consent so you can't attempt to sue is my guess if it turns out that it causes you immune system to over react and attack your own body organs and that produces for one thing a cytokine storm.

You sign consent because it is a fundamental human right that you not be subject to medical procedures or medical experimentation without your consent. You have the right to learn of the pros and cons (strengths and weaknesses) and stage of development of the procedures that you may or may not consent to have. You have the right to make an informed decision about what is best for you and your place / role / position / situation / contribution etc etc in and to your community.

The people who give you information (or who give you false information) or who give you mis-information... Doctors... Governments... Are accountable (should be accountable) for the lies they tell so that it is more costly for them to lie and the psychopaths are incentivised to tell the truth in the only way they can understand it.

US citizens are being told the vaccines are being approved for use in experimental stages because of the pandemic. So the citizens know they are participating in medical trials.

NZ citizens are being told the vaccines are approved not for use under emergency dispensation... But under regular or normal dispensation.

That is to say the NZ government doesn't appreciate the difference between medical treatment and participating in a medical trial. That is because Pharmac regularly, reliably, repeatedly, chooses the cheapest option. Which is an 'experimental' 'generic'. I think is the idea. Where they see how low they can go with manufacturing conditions (etc etc etc) and still have... Uh... Some good effect? Maybe?

Something like that.

Is the best I can figure on the basis of the information that is available to me (and on the basis of the information that is not made available by Pharmac).

> As for why New Zealand needs to vaccinate I would guess it's to prevent an endemic.

I think you mean 'epidemic'. Or maybe not. Lol. THe case we had appears endemic, indeed. NO link to any previously known case in NZ!

Yes. We are back to lower level now (no events over 100 people). That's an issue for Universities because it's orientation weeks, now, for residential halls. Student events where they see how drunk they can get them all and how many can be bullied into being sexually abused and the like...

It is your right to wait if you choose.

The evidence on how much vaccination prevents a person becoming a vector (transmitting it to others while being themselves immune) is unclear. I mean to say...

Preventing epidemic / community transmission was NOT the reason NZ rolled out the first lot of vaccine. That is because the best evidence available to the NZ government was the South African Evidence about vaccine NOT preventing transmission. So on the basis of that evidence... The NZ government was thinking it would like to help community transmission?

(The reality is that the government is slow to respond to the evidence and it hadn't assimilated that yet).

Since then better evidence (larger sample size) has emerged that vaccination DOES help prevent people passing it on.

But the government didn't know that when it made it's decision. So it wasn't the reason for the decision.

The NZ governmetn didn't think it was an issue at all about the invasiveness of the swab compared to saliva tests. Didn't feature in their decision making at all. Just don't care that something is invasive. Will decrease uptake. Will save costs!! Just stay home well, well, well.

I think that if you choose not to get vaccinated (yet) then it would be very very sensible to be careful and wear masks etc.

They are advising that, anyway.

But there's something to believing yourself / knowing yourself to be more vulnerable precisely because you haven't been vaccinated... That could well mean you are less likely to transmit it to others or catch it yourself as a result of that.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k

Posted by Phillipa on February 17, 2021, at 23:20:22

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on February 17, 2021, at 18:48:14

Even vaccinated you can be an asymptomatic carrier hence the continued wearing of masks and social distancing. Hoping the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is available around the beginning of March. Works with a different mechanism so won't trigger our immune system. Goes and enter a spike I believe of the virus? Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by undopaminergic on February 18, 2021, at 6:12:08

In reply to Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Phillipa on February 1, 2021, at 9:25:09

> Anyone received one of the available Covid vaccines. Please share experience both good and bad. And which vaccine did you receive? Or did you decide not to get one and if so why? And finally who has had Covid? Thanks Phillipa
>

I received the Astra-Zeneca version of COVID vaccine within the most recent half hour. It scarcely hurt at all.

Am I the first here?

How does the Astra-Zeneca compare to other vaccines?

They said there will be another shot in 12 weeks.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on February 18, 2021, at 7:18:27

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by undopaminergic on February 18, 2021, at 6:12:08

I hear it provides 70% of protection, on the upside it seems to give that protection to those around you as well possibly unlike Pfizer and Moderna.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? undopaminergic

Posted by Phillipa on February 18, 2021, at 9:02:53

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by undopaminergic on February 18, 2021, at 6:12:08

Hi Yes you are the first on this thread to receive the Astra Zeneca vaccine. You must be in Europe correct? What type of information have you been given about the vaccine? And what is the criteria for receiving the vaccine. Age like here, a medical worker?, pre-existing conditions. Would love to hear more on your vaccine. 12 weeks is quite a while between doses also. Thanks Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22

Posted by Phillipa on February 18, 2021, at 9:04:40

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 18, 2021, at 7:18:27

Lamadge I did not know this about Astra Zeneca. So is it a better vaccine? What is the mechanism of action? Thanks Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by undopaminergic on February 18, 2021, at 9:07:25

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 18, 2021, at 7:18:27

> ... it seems to give that protection to those around you as well possibly unlike Pfizer and Moderna.
>

I think maybe that is the reasoning behind choosing this variant. It is in a hospital setting and they really don't want the virus to get a foothold here, as it could spread like a wildfire.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa

Posted by undopaminergic on February 18, 2021, at 9:16:43

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? undopaminergic, posted by Phillipa on February 18, 2021, at 9:02:53

> Hi Yes you are the first on this thread to receive the Astra Zeneca vaccine. You must be in Europe correct?
>

Yes, Nordic.

> What type of information have you been given about the vaccine?

It could case injection site symptoms like muscle pain, and it could cause a temperature.

> And what is the criteria for receiving the vaccine. Age like here, a medical worker?, pre-existing conditions.
>

None of those would seem to apply. I'm just 43. No diabetes or anything like that, just some mental symptoms, of which I feel only the apathy and cognitive impairment are relevant to my wellbeing and functioning.

> Would love to hear more on your vaccine.

I don't think I have anything more to say. I will try to report if I notice anything new.

> 12 weeks is quite a while between doses also. Thanks Phillipa

Yes, that occurred to me too.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? undopaminergic

Posted by Phillipa on February 18, 2021, at 9:27:30

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa, posted by undopaminergic on February 18, 2021, at 9:16:43

Thanks I think I will google the vaccine and see if find anything else. Isn't this the vaccine that is being used in multiple countries overseas? Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on February 18, 2021, at 9:43:55

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on February 18, 2021, at 9:04:40

I dont know

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by alexandra_k on February 18, 2021, at 14:53:00

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 18, 2021, at 9:43:55

All of them trigger the immune system, Phillipa. That's what makes them effective...

You don't have allergies of the sort I was worried about...

I think there might be something to different strategies...

Rhode Island was saying that not very many have received doses -- but people have received 2 doses. In other words, their aim was to fully immunise a smaller group of people.

Other places... Are thinking more to get everybody that first dose (confers some degree of immunity) before doign the second round.

That might be it...

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k

Posted by Phillipa on February 18, 2021, at 18:06:28

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on February 18, 2021, at 14:53:00

Alex you are correct my mistake on first comment. Just done in a different mode. As for RI that is a very small state so easier to vaccinate more. Haven't read about the other states and their vaccination rated. So you found that RI has vaccinated more people? Government must have allotted them more doses is my guess before looking into this. Right now due to the weather the snow storms across a good portion of USA quite a few vaccine administrations had to be cancelled. I have a friend that lives in Texas who was supposed to get her second dose tomorrow now has to wait two weeks for the second dose which is not advised but unavoidable. No vaccines are available in the Carolinas right now same reason shipping of the vaccines. Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa

Posted by alexandra_k on February 21, 2021, at 1:29:56

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on February 18, 2021, at 18:06:28

> As for RI that is a very small state so easier to vaccinate more.

You would think. That's why it's suprising that they reckon they are not doing very well (per head of population).

They have only a few who have received two doses and a lot of vaccinations in the state -- that are not in the people already.

I think the idea they are conveying... Is that it is easy (easier) to vaccinate some people. People in the board of directors who really want a vaccine. Healthcare workers. These people can be on call. You can say 'hey, got a dose only an hour to expiry -- can you get here in time?'

It's harder to get the doses to the people in the impoverished communities. In the nursing homes. That's what they are saying, anyway. That their focus on equity is slowing the administration of the vaccines / the rollout.

(Rhode Island is a weird state... I suspect strongly that a lot of the people who work in state live out of state and vice versa. I mean to say it's hard to know how many people are getting vaccinated in Boston or Connecticut or wherever rather than needing to be immunised in Rhode Island, even. I guess... That's the thing of ir, really)...

I did hear about bad snow storms and people freezing to death...

Yeah.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k

Posted by Phillipa on February 21, 2021, at 9:24:49

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Phillipa, posted by alexandra_k on February 21, 2021, at 1:29:56

Alex, It goes by first those that are older adults and health care workers. Those that want it can get it and already did receive their vaccinations. Each State has different phases which are also changing. Now the teachers want vaccines cause the schools are again open and some beginning to open. But many people do not want to be vaccinated. Right now I am one of them. I do not want any unknown long term side effect drugs in my body. I am following a thread in another spot of people that live in the Carolinas and how they are reacting to the vaccine. Did you know that females are being told to get their yearly mammograms either before a vaccine or to wait 4-6 weeks cause the vaccine causes the lymph nodes under the arm pit to swell. Which is inflammation. I don't like this. So what would you personally do get the vaccines? Or just take your time and see? Even after the vaccines you have to continue to mask and the other precautions. I felt safer before all this vaccination stuff. Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on February 21, 2021, at 10:02:00

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on February 21, 2021, at 9:24:49

Pfizer/Biontech is doing very well in Israel. The data seems to suggest that it protects both the vaccinated and those around them. I dont have an english article though.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22

Posted by Phillipa on February 21, 2021, at 11:44:13

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 21, 2021, at 10:02:00

Lamadge can you summarize what the article says? Is that Astra Zeneca? Thanks Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on February 21, 2021, at 12:22:22

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on February 21, 2021, at 11:44:13

This sums it up https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-says-vaccine-dramatically-effective-prevents-98-9-of-covid-deaths/

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on February 21, 2021, at 12:27:22

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 21, 2021, at 12:22:22

95,8 % less infections say a reputable german newspaper. Not less disease symptoms, less infections. If you are not infected, I surmise you cant spread the disease, whereas with just symptom repression, you could. My dad gets his first shot on thursday.

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22

Posted by Phillipa on February 21, 2021, at 18:10:54

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 21, 2021, at 12:27:22

Lamdage, thanks so much. So your Dad is receiving his first dose of the vaccine this coming week. Is it the Pfizer vaccine? What are your thoughts on this? That this is a safe vaccine? Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on February 21, 2021, at 21:59:07

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on February 21, 2021, at 18:10:54

It is Pfizer, indeed. Well, I only know what the media say about the vaccine. According to them it is pretty safe. I am not an expert for vaccines

> Lamdage, thanks so much. So your Dad is receiving his first dose of the vaccine this coming week. Is it the Pfizer vaccine? What are your thoughts on this? That this is a safe vaccine? Phillipa

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on February 22, 2021, at 4:28:41

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 21, 2021, at 21:59:07

Well, I wish he didn't have to get the vaccine in the first place, but I think he will be fine!

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by undopaminergic on February 22, 2021, at 7:22:52

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 21, 2021, at 10:02:00

> Pfizer/Biontech is doing very well in Israel. The data seems to suggest that it protects both the vaccinated and those around them. I dont have an english article though.
>

Does that mean you can read Hebrew?

I think I had some transient fever the night after my vaccination. I also had slight muscle ache around the injection site.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by Lamdage22 on February 22, 2021, at 7:44:46

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by undopaminergic on February 22, 2021, at 7:22:52

No, it was mentioned in a German newspaper. Did you get the Pfizer vaccine?

> Does that mean you can read Hebrew?
>
> I think I had some transient fever the night after my vaccination. I also had slight muscle ache around the injection site.
>
> -undopaminergic
>

 

Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?

Posted by undopaminergic on February 22, 2021, at 7:51:13

In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 22, 2021, at 7:44:46

> No, it was mentioned in a German newspaper. Did you get the Pfizer vaccine?
>

Astra-Zeneca.

-undopaminergic


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