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Posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2021, at 0:55:39
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? » Lamdage22, posted by linkadge on February 5, 2021, at 11:54:54
Thanks for responding. Yeah you are absolutely right, we are impaired enough as it is. We don't need impairment ontop of the impairment we already have. So long term psychiatric consequences of COVID are frequent?
Yeah I want to wait and see right now even though I am a bit tired of the "celibate" lifestyle.
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2021, at 1:10:34
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2021, at 0:55:39
The real question is if the Vaccine could have more negative long term consequences than COVID. Im not sure if that can be answered after just one year. It is still a guess. Maybe somewhat educated, but not entirely sure. It is still a bit of a gamble
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2021, at 3:24:18
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2021, at 1:10:34
Then again, COVID might have long term consequences we dont yet know about, as well. I dont have a firm opinion on the vaccines, I just want to make the best choice
Posted by linkadge on February 6, 2021, at 7:12:09
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 5, 2021, at 23:31:04
>conspiracies theories (and only theories) - >covid was engineered in a lab, and distributed >to mass populations, with deaths, requiring a >vacinne, which discreet illness in some people >who get it. 2nd - control, and keeping the >populations manageable size, and or under >control. Free speech, 20th century traditions >and laws are gone, we're in a new century with >new orders and guidelines.
I like a good conspiracy theory myself. But, at the end of the day not a lot of those make a whole lot of sense. Sh*t does just happen from time to time.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on February 6, 2021, at 7:18:33
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2021, at 3:24:18
>Then again, COVID might have long term >consequences we dont yet know about, as well. I >dont have a firm opinion on the vaccines, I just >want to make the best choice
That's what is apparently happening with some folks. I have a friend who is still dealing with crippling fatigue and brain fog (a lawyer) after contracting COVID. This is being reported by many researchers. COVID can cause an inflammatory response which can wreak havoc on the brain, heart, organs etc.
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on February 6, 2021, at 8:55:49
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by linkadge on February 6, 2021, at 7:18:33
What is the PEG that is responsible for those that get serious side effects from the vaccine? Thanks!
Posted by Phillipa on February 6, 2021, at 11:50:04
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by linkadge on February 6, 2021, at 7:18:33
Also now radiologists are finding swollen axillary lymph nodes during screening mammograms. I'm beginning to not want the vaccine yet again. Already different side effects on emerging. This one is on the CDC website. Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2021, at 23:22:12
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Phillipa on February 6, 2021, at 11:50:04
Do you have a link? How frequent?
> Also now radiologists are finding swollen axillary lymph nodes during screening mammograms. I'm beginning to not want the vaccine yet again. Already different side effects on emerging. This one is on the CDC website. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on February 7, 2021, at 8:57:44
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2021, at 23:22:12
CDC website for USA. Remember they said it goes away after a few weeks. Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 7, 2021, at 14:57:45
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? » Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on February 7, 2021, at 8:57:44
So what I have heard is that Comirnaty and the Moderna vaccine only protect the vaccinated and not those around them. Astra Zenecas vaccine does protect those around but it protects 70% as opposed to 95%.
Does anybode know?
Posted by Phillipa on February 7, 2021, at 17:28:58
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 7, 2021, at 14:57:45
Is the one that begins with the C Pfizer here in USA? Or is it Johnson & Johnson soon to be released here one shot only? From what I know the vaccines protect the person vaccinated from serious Covid but they can be asymptomatic and spread to others? Is this what you have heard also? Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 7, 2021, at 21:54:01
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? » Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on February 7, 2021, at 17:28:58
yes Comirnaty is Pfizer(BioNTech) and yes they can be asymptomatic and spread is what I heard.
> Is the one that begins with the C Pfizer here in USA? Or is it Johnson & Johnson soon to be released here one shot only? From what I know the vaccines protect the person vaccinated from serious Covid but they can be asymptomatic and spread to others? Is this what you have heard also? Phillipa
Posted by alexandra_k on February 8, 2021, at 0:55:06
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? » alexandra_k, posted by linkadge on February 4, 2021, at 6:59:25
> I'm noticing a trend here. People who say they don't want the vaccine are saying ..... "I've heard ....".
Yeah. When I say 'I've heard' it's often short-hand for 'Pathoma Says', or, 'I read it in 'First Aid' (First Aid for the United States Medical Lisencing Examination study book).
Does Pathoma or First Aid say things specifically about Covid? No. They say things specifically about vaccinations and the way that different kinds of vaccinations work (the risks and payoffs). They say things about auto-immune disorders and the way they work, insofar as we know about them, and things about what kinds of vaccinations are or are not recommended for various people given what clinicins know about their history of auto-immune disease or potential for it's development.
> There's a lot of misinformation out there. People say a lot of uneducated and uninformed things. Those things travel and get passed on by people who don't want to cognitively challenge them.
Yes. That is true. But it is also true that people try and take advantage of people sometimes and, unfortunately, that has included people being lied to about what medical treatments are likely right for them.
> A vaccine does not activate the immune system in perpetuity. It briefly activates the immune system so that antibodies can be produced.Well, it aims for increased numbers of memory cells capable of responding to the antigen to be produced by teh body and remain in the body. So there is immunological memory so large numbers of antibodies can be produced if the body is exposed to the antigen in the future (and hopefully those large numbers of antibodies produced in the future won't turn out to be active against the body's own cells or won't turn out to congeal weirdly into clots in the blood or won't turn out to form another kind of... Amyloidosis or prion type of disorder)...
> Autoimmune disorders are poorly understood, but there is no established link to vaccines.People who have a disposition towards allergies are disposed to making antibodies that target self-tissue instead of antibodies that target other tissue only.
They are often recommended not to have certain kinds of vaccination because of the increased risk that their bodies will make antibodies that target self-tissue. But, again, these are people with conditions like rheumatoid arthritis (where their body has accumulations of self-attacking proteins agglutinating in their synovial fluid) or Lupis or... Certain pre-existing disorders like that.
Like how dust doesn't CAUSE asthma attacks but can trigger an asthma attack in people who have prior existing asthma. Immunisations can cause auto-immune responses in people who have a prior disposition for their bodies to do this. The vaccination simply acts as a trigger for them instead of natural exposure acting as a trigger for them.
I do worry that going all gung-ho on trying to make bodies produce antibodies to a great variety of things (as they are considering with the new mRNA vaccines since teh major benefit of them is that they can be quickly altered in their specificity and a vaccine for a new strain manufacturered relatively easily)... My concern with them wanting to vaccine people against lots and lots of things (many more strains of influenza, new strains of Covid... MOre and more and more and more things...)
My concern is that the body will be producing a lot of antibodies. And when the body produces a lot of proteins like that there is the possibility that they will start to fold strangely or agglutinate with each other or start forming clots with each other or start binding or sticking to the walls of the blood vessels... That the bodies macrophages and natural killer cells start taking chomps out of parts of the body in trying to clear or remove tehm... That the natural killer cells and the like start secreting a lot of digestive enzymes doing more global damage trying to clear the antibodies...
I don't think it is paranoid of me... I think that my concern is based on a relatively good understanding of some of the basic principles of auto-immune disorders and vaccinations and prion diseases and the like...
One of the very very early problems with Covid was micro-clots in the blood. What were the micro-clots comprised of? Antibodies? I don't know that I saw an acount of what the blood clots were...
I wondered at the time that they were saying that the main problem with Covid (the main cause of death) was that the body was producing an extreme immune response and it was the extreme nature of the immune response that was killing people. They couldn't get oxygen absorbed into the lungs because of an inflamatory exudate being produced by the lungs. They had clots. Presumably... Antibodies.
So I wondered if vaccination was going to prevent the body producing that kind of an extreme response...
I don't know.
Those most likely to be harmed by Covid (older with preexisting condition) seemed also most likely to be harmed by Covid vaccination...
I don't know if I'll get a vaccination when they become available to me. I suspect I won't because I don't trust the New Zealand Government who refuses to make their data or the reasoning for their decisions (teh negotiations) public.
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 8, 2021, at 2:57:24
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 7, 2021, at 21:54:01
Well when I say "ive heard" I actually am asking if somebody knows. Not trying to spread anything.
Does Comirnaty protect those around the vaccinated, too?
Posted by Phillipa on February 8, 2021, at 9:16:31
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 8, 2021, at 2:57:24
Lamadge , no the vaccine doesn't protect those around the vaccinated person. It also doesn't l00% protect the person with the vaccine. It is said to keep serious Covid from harming the vaccinated person so they do not require hospitalization and possibly death. Here those with auto immune disorders are advised to get vaccinated. I'm still on the fence about getting the vaccine and I'm almost 75. Why is the Covid ICU RN that lives next door to me not gotten the vaccine per her choice. She's not contracted Covid either. Right now on an app popular here called nextdoor for various neighborhoods there is discussion on the vaccine. And if those that received either the Pfizer or the Moderna have experienced more side effects with their second dose. Will you get a vaccine when available to you? Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 8, 2021, at 11:56:00
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? » Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on February 8, 2021, at 9:16:31
Then it won't solve the problem entirely. Are they still researching on other vaccines?
Posted by Phillipa on February 8, 2021, at 12:08:31
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 8, 2021, at 11:56:00
Johnson & Johnson will be released maybe a week. One vaccine. There is a lower rate of protective but they think only think might be more effective on variants but the information isn't clear. I still don't like that on the arm side you received the vaccine in that it can effect the lymph nodes and show are something wrong on a mammogram. So does this mean somehow it could be altering immune systems? The Johnson & Johnson one doesn't do the mrna? Phillipa
Posted by alexandra_k on February 8, 2021, at 20:51:50
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 8, 2021, at 2:57:24
> Well when I say "ive heard" I actually am asking if somebody knows. Not trying to spread anything.
Yeah... I use it like that, too :)
> Does Comirnaty protect those around the vaccinated, too?Thanks for the name (never heard of it). I found a nice link to some info:
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/comirnaty
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 9, 2021, at 7:04:36
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on February 8, 2021, at 20:51:50
Yeah, they say they don't know. I haven't found any reliable evidence that it doesn't protect others. Just hearsay.
> > Does Comirnaty protect those around the vaccinated, too?
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Posted by Lamdage22 on February 9, 2021, at 7:06:26
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 9, 2021, at 7:04:36
I think it makes a huge difference. At least for me.
Posted by Phillipa on February 9, 2021, at 9:10:18
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 9, 2021, at 7:06:26
Comirnaty: This is name that is filed for the Covid vaccine in Europe then. Where in the USA it's filed under the name Pfizer. Is this correct? Thanks. Phillipa
Posted by alexandra_k on February 11, 2021, at 10:15:58
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? » Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on February 9, 2021, at 9:10:18
There is something in our news now ('I once heard a man say') that there was a South African study saying that one of the vaccines in particular did not seem to offer much protection to young healthy people from non-lethal (mild symptoms of) Coronavirus.
I think the concern is that this finding shows this vaccine, in particular, to not be so suitable to give to the majority of front line health workers / border workers. The thought is that the mild symptoms mean they are infectious, I suppose. Mild enough for them to still be turning up to work so more likely to pass the virus on to vulnerable people without themselves being in any real danger at all.
New Zealand was planning (is planning still) on using the first doses that arrive in this country to vaccinate front line health and border workers.
New Zealand was not planning on vaccinating the vulnerable populations first.
The South African finding has not changed the New Zealand government's plan of using that particular vaccine to vaccinate front-line health workers and border workers first.
I suppose mostly because... Who is going to stop them from taking the vaccine for themselves?
I mean... It would be like trying to deny them to the board of a private I mean recently public-private merged therefore public hospital. Because of all the work the public healthcare workers do for the public ahem aha.
They are saying they will be all tracked in NZ. But given our governments track record of tracking... And who is tracking the trackers? And so on... The absurdity in that...
We recently had this fiasco of lead being found in water and not reported to the people. So the same people (public health) not capable of measuring lead in water offer free blood tests to measure lead in blood. And of course the public funded tests say they don't find lead.
Nobody was given money to go pay an independent lab to do an independent test.
The NZ government will not be held to account...
It is difficult. On the one hand -- I would be suspicious, indeed, of a vaccine that was supposedly specifically for vulnerable people.
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The games people play...
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 11, 2021, at 13:38:46
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? » Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on February 9, 2021, at 9:10:18
They like to name drugs differently here. Causes lots of confusion. Here it is Comirnaty, that I know for certain.
> Comirnaty: This is name that is filed for the Covid vaccine in Europe then. Where in the USA it's filed under the name Pfizer. Is this correct? Thanks. Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 11, 2021, at 13:41:00
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences? » Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on February 9, 2021, at 9:10:18
Pfizer is a drug company. It would surprise me if they had named the vaccine like the company.
Posted by alexandra_k on February 11, 2021, at 14:37:48
In reply to Re: Who has gotten a Covid Vaccine Experiences?, posted by alexandra_k on February 8, 2021, at 20:51:50
Pfizer/BioNTech (Comirnaty).
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