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'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject

Posted by beckett2 on January 14, 2021, at 21:41:17

Might not be for the faint of heart

https://www.livescience.com/magic-mushroom-injection-case-report.html?m_i=xugH1%2BKWb5Xlkdnw_3sxRNQZh05A1aXynMtm%2BHrl54J3AuCVi9T59BIgqt4S9TRmAPqj4l_RWPR3aYdS2zgNQXkT2VD2I1Z8rdycp3gxxi

 

Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject

Posted by Lamdage22 on January 15, 2021, at 1:21:27

In reply to 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject, posted by beckett2 on January 14, 2021, at 21:41:17

That wasn't smart. Caution is advised when making medical decisions on the basis of what is written somewhere on the internet.

 

Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject

Posted by undopaminergic on January 15, 2021, at 3:40:05

In reply to Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject, posted by Lamdage22 on January 15, 2021, at 1:21:27

> That wasn't smart. Caution is advised when making medical decisions on the basis of what is written somewhere on the internet.
>

"Not smart"? To inject mushroom tea? Agreed, at least in retrospect.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject

Posted by Lamdage22 on January 15, 2021, at 5:27:15

In reply to Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject, posted by undopaminergic on January 15, 2021, at 3:40:05

I like how the doctors refrained from any comment. I bet it wasn't easy!

 

Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject

Posted by Lamdage22 on January 15, 2021, at 5:37:47

In reply to Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject, posted by Lamdage22 on January 15, 2021, at 5:27:15

It is better than injecting disinfectant, but not much.

 

Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject

Posted by sigismund on January 15, 2021, at 13:18:31

In reply to Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject, posted by Lamdage22 on January 15, 2021, at 5:37:47

In a movie called 'Cane Toads' a policeman says 'Them hippies they get the toads off the roads, they brews them up and drink the liquor', which has been known to happen.

 

Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject

Posted by alexandra_k on January 24, 2021, at 12:18:22

In reply to 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject, posted by beckett2 on January 14, 2021, at 21:41:17

I don't have access to the journal article.

I am interested in what evidence they found in his blood, exactly.

Did they manage to grow mushrooms in the laboratory from a sample of his blood?

I am interested in how fungus grows inside the body, generally.

Apparently the mould on the walls of people's houses in NZ grows as a fungus in the lungs. It forms balls of spores inside the lungs. It will dissemate / seed around the lungs. I don't know how much it can travel to other organs.

I think it can look like / mimic metastatic cancer. That is to say that people diagnosed with lung cancer actually have this fungus.

Why do they want to put him on anti-biotics for his fungus?

 

Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject

Posted by alexandra_k on January 24, 2021, at 12:24:09

In reply to Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject, posted by alexandra_k on January 24, 2021, at 12:18:22

Apparently fungus mostly grows as a network under the ground, usually.

Ones like magic mushrooms, anyway (Not sure about the ones in houses -- I suppose that one is growing into the plywood / fibrous rotting wood).

Like a dense network of roots or tubers.

And the magic mushrooms are only the fruiting body portion. But there are supposed to be really really really large networks of these root / tubery things under the ground.

I'm interested in how that grows in the body.

Sounds like it can grow a bit like that in the lungs. So it isn't free-living in the blood in the form of spores from the fruiting body. There aren't fruiting bodies. But the network of roots / tubers...

But they feed by exuding hydrolytic enzymes and dissolving things...

I don't know that they would grow inside the body...

I don't know...

Do you guys remember that a while back they found a guy in England who was fermenting alcohol in his gut / colon? I don't remember how the beer brewing bacteria got in there.... There was some story or something...

Point is his blood alcohol was raised from the fermentation that was happening in his colon.

I don't think mushrooms would do that, though, because of the fruiting body part. That's the part with the psychoactive effect. But it wasn't like they were finding actual mushrooms growing inside him. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have been...

Contaminated laboratory sample?

Could be...

 

Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject

Posted by alexandra_k on February 2, 2021, at 13:41:51

In reply to Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject, posted by alexandra_k on January 24, 2021, at 12:24:09

https://fungially.com/blogs/growing-mushrooms/what-is-mycelium-natures-world-wide-web

mycelium. i don't know if it will grow inside people.

i suppose the body will produce an auto-immune response to it... so (apparently) in the lungs various moulds / fungi become walled off like how TB does. a... granuloma?

The difference between a granuloma and a TB ball was... Um... Um... Macrophages or... Fibroblasts... Um...

 

Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject » alexandra_k

Posted by beckett2 on February 2, 2021, at 21:04:29

In reply to Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject, posted by alexandra_k on February 2, 2021, at 13:41:51

A man brewed a tea from "magic mushrooms" and injected the concoction into his veins; several days later, he ended up at the emergency department with the fungus growing in his blood.

The man spent 22 days in the hospital, with eight of those days in the intensive care unit (ICU), where he received treatment for multisystem organ failure. Now released, he is still being treated with a long-term regimen of antibiotic and antifungal drugs, according to a description of the case published Jan. 11 in the Journal of the Academy of Consultation-Liaison Psychiatry.

The case didn't reveal whether injecting shroom tea can cause persistent psychoactive effects, as sometimes seen when people ingest the fungus orally, the doctors wrote in the report. For example, in rare cases, people can develop a condition called hallucinogen-induced persisting perception disorder (HPPD), where they experience vivid flashbacks of their trip long after the fact, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

The case "underscores the need for ongoing public education regarding the dangers attendant to the use of this, and other drugs, in ways other than they are prescribed," the doctors wrote.


By injecting shrooms into his bloodstream, the 30-year-old patient had hoped to relieve symptoms of bipolar disorder and opioid dependence, according to the report. His family members noted that he had recently stopped adhering to his prescribed bipolar medications and was "cycling between depressive and manic states."

The man found online reports that described the potential therapeutic effects of hallucinogens, such as LSD and psilocybin mushrooms, which prompted him to boil down shrooms into a "mushroom tea." He filtered the tea by drawing it through a "cotton swab" before injecting it into his body. In the following days, he became lethargic and nauseated, and his skin began to yellow. He soon developed diarrhea and began vomiting blood.

His family found him and took him to the emergency room, noting concern that he also seemed very confused. The doctors noted that he could not participate in a meaningful interview, due to his altered mental state. Multiple organs, including the liver and kidneys, began to fail and the man was transferred to the ICU. His blood tested positive for a bacterial infection with the microbe Brevibacillus and a fungal infection from Psilocybe cubensis meaning the magic mushroom he injected was now growing in his blood.

In addition to antibiotic and antifungal drugs, the man needed to be placed on a ventilator after he experienced acute respiratory failure, where fluid builds up in the air sacs of the lungs. Thankfully, the patient survived this ordeal and was later discharged from the hospital.


Research suggests that psilocybin may be a promising treatment for depression, anxiety and substance abuse, the authors noted but only if taken safely. In most research studies, scientists administer the drug in pill form, but in a few instances, doctors have delivered psilocybin via an intravenous injection, according to a 2018 report published in the journal Neuropharmacology. But these injections are given in tightly controlled doses and under medical supervision, and they do not contain any fungi; the compound psilocybin, alone, is not alive and cannot grow in the body.

When used recreationally, magic mushrooms are typically made into a tea, eaten raw or dried, ground into a powder and put in capsules, or coated in chocolate they are not injected directly into the bloodstream. Shrooms induce mind-altering trips by interacting with certain receptors in the brain; specifically, the psilocybin breaks down into psilocin, a substance that acts like the brain chemical serotonin, which plays roles in mood and perception.

But a bad trip can trigger anxiety, fear and confusion, as well as elevated blood pressure, vomiting, headaches and stomach cramps, Live Science previously reported. Magic mushrooms carry an added risk because they resemble some species of poisonous mushroom, so people sometimes consume the wrong kind by mistake.

Several U.S. cities have decriminalized psilocybin, and in November 2020, Oregon moved to legalize its use as a therapeutic drug, CNBC reported. As of now, psilocybin is still classified as a "Schedule I substance" under federal law, meaning that the drug has no accepted medical use in the U.S. and has a "high potential for abuse." However, current research suggests that this potential for abuse has been historically overestimated and is actually quite low, according to the 2018 Neuropharmacology report.

Originally published on Live Science.

 

Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject

Posted by alexandra_k on February 8, 2021, at 1:08:17

In reply to Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject » alexandra_k, posted by beckett2 on February 2, 2021, at 21:04:29

Hmm...

There are special tests for growing fungus in the laboratory... Did they manage to grow the fungus in the laboratory, do you know?

I mean... There are special tests for different kinds of bacteria... Gram stains and the like. A decision making algorithm tree for if they stain in this or that color depending on whether they have a cell wall or not... And tests for catalayse enzymes or tests for whether they can lyse blood cells in order to get nutrients or whether they lack that capacity. These tests enable pathologists to type what kind of bacteria people are infected with...

But when it comes to fungus... There is the presence of chitin which is limited to fungus and insects both... That in a sample would indicate insects or fungus... Otherwise... I don't know how they would type the kind of fungus without successfully growing it in the laboratory...

Did they manage to get a sample taken from his blood growing in the laboratory.... Enough of a sample for it to be identified by a mushroom specialist as that particular type or variety?

It doesn't seem very plausible to me... I'm having a hard time with it...

Usually fungus only grows in cases of severe immunocompromisation. AIDS or in the context of a person taking immunosupressants...

I would be surprised if they could grow mushrooms in the laboratory from a sample of mushroom that had been prepared the way he stated too (having been boiled before being injected into his bloodstream).

I mean... If it were possible to collect mushrooms and boil them into a tea and then grow muschrooms on agar or something then I suspect many many people would be doing it instead of going out hunting them or growing them carefully on seedling trays...

I am not questioning YOU. I am questioning PSYCHIATRY. ANd I am wondering who their pathologists are...

 

Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject

Posted by Lamdage22 on February 9, 2021, at 14:10:17

In reply to 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject, posted by beckett2 on January 14, 2021, at 21:41:17

It could be fake news. I don't like to use that term because it is burdened by a certain orange-faced man, but this kind of stuff does exist.

 

Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject

Posted by alexandra_k on February 9, 2021, at 17:48:32

In reply to Re: 'Magic mushrooms' grow in man's blood after inject, posted by Lamdage22 on February 9, 2021, at 14:10:17

I don't have journal article access because I'm not affiliated with a University so I can't access the article / read the article myself.

It just seems strange to me is all. News indeed, if they really did discover that.

Certainly news to me.

I am very interested in how fungus grows in the body... I have read in Pathoma or First Aid that it can grow in balls in the lungs. That there can be fungus there that has been walled off either by fibroblasts or by macrophage... Immune cells... Like how tubertulosis can survive in the lungs in a sort of dormant state. Then, when the person becomes immunocompromised the TB (or the fungus) can travel via the lymph or blood to a new region and create problems there. That these things both can sometimes mimic (or have similar fatal affects to or of) metastatic cancer of the lungs.

I was thinking that it seemed perfectly possible that a lot of cases of 'fatal lung cancer' particularly in under-developed parts of the world like NZ where autopsies aren't very regularly performed, I don't think, could actually be due to fungus balls from us living in our toxic mould mouldy housing...

I was interested in whether you can test for fungus in the blood...

I... I did not think that fungus could produce fruiting bodies inside a persons body...

THe underground fibres... I got this awful idea of them growing like roots in the lungs... ANd I wondered if they did...

The fungus that grows on the walls our our houses is this black sort of a... Slime or dusty mould. I don't think it produces visible fruiting bodies like magic mushrooms or like edible mushrooms... But I gues it must dissemate spores...

I guess other sorts of fungus... Like athletes foot or oral or vaginal thrush... But they are more like the slimy or dusty mould...

I have a hard time imaginging field mushrooms growing inside a person... And magic mushrooms are a kind of field mushroom I would have thought...

I imagine the original article would likely say what laboratory they used or who was responsible for the labs? Pretty sure psychiatry doesn't do it's own laboratory results any place in the world...

I would be interested in the precise laboratory finding. Very genuinely...


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