Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 1113313

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Heavy v. recreational?

Posted by amd on January 10, 2021, at 17:06:11

Often you see descriptions saying that "heavy long-term use" of cocaine or methamphetamine can cause lasting damage.

It's never really clear what "heavy" means here, nor what "long term" is?

If you smoke meth one night every other month, or if you're a weekend warrior when it comes to cocaine, does this count as heavy? Is heavy daily use? Is small dose every day considered light, even though it's daily?

I'm honestly curious how researchers generally quantify these things.

 

Re: Heavy v. recreational?

Posted by linkadge on January 10, 2021, at 19:46:38

In reply to Heavy v. recreational?, posted by amd on January 10, 2021, at 17:06:11

Heavy likely means daily doses on the higher end. That's not to say that lower doses can't have some consequences. I mean, if you're only use coke on the weekend, you're likely not 'addicted' in the classic sense, as you have had an off period of 5 days for 2 days on. Also, I think that coke is generally 'safer' than meth.

Have you ever been tested for ADHD? I take ritalin (which has some overlap with cocaine in terms of mechanisms). People with ADHD who take ritalin generally binge much less on other stimulants.

Linkadge

 

Re: Heavy v. recreational?

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 10, 2021, at 20:01:16

In reply to Heavy v. recreational?, posted by amd on January 10, 2021, at 17:06:11

heavy means excessive to dangously used substance, using a substance more than to just get high, but to operate on it to function and stuff. John Belushi was a actor and comedian, he did heavy cocaine and heroin, which killed him in a over dose. But that's one case, heavy can mean using it 'heavy amounts' and 'excessive' and long term can be added to that

 

Re: Heavy v. recreational?

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 10, 2021, at 20:06:21

In reply to Re: Heavy v. recreational?, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 10, 2021, at 20:01:16

it's using not to get high, but to operate and function, and using the substance in moderate to high amounts (excessive)

 

Re: Heavy v. recreational?

Posted by amd on January 11, 2021, at 14:44:22

In reply to Re: Heavy v. recreational?, posted by linkadge on January 10, 2021, at 19:46:38

I have done meth twice in two months, and I'm pretty sure I've permanently messed up both my brain and future happiness. I smoke about ten hits from a pipe on Saturday night, collapsed at home Sunday morning, and have felt terrible sense. I'm so sad that I've ruined my life and mental faculties after one night. I don't know if I'll recover from the two instances, and it scares me to death.

 

Re: Heavy v. recreational?

Posted by linkadge on January 11, 2021, at 17:53:24

In reply to Re: Heavy v. recreational?, posted by amd on January 11, 2021, at 14:44:22

If you're experiencing prolonged depression as a result, you may have an underlying psychiatric disorder.

Have you had symptoms of depression in the past?

Linkadge

 

Re: Heavy v. recreational?

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 11, 2021, at 18:28:59

In reply to Re: Heavy v. recreational?, posted by amd on January 11, 2021, at 14:44:22

i went through phenibut withdrawl (very high doses) and it took me months for my GABA receptors to normalize. At the psych, they gave me librium which is benzo but it had little effect because of tolerant gaba receptors. I was taking phenibut for years, and it was hell going off it. Most people take low doses and not all the time.

Let's see, you did meth twice with bad reactions that had you pass out, i'm not trying comfort falsivity but you proably will recover but it will take a long time. I'm not ... i don't know whole situation but meth yes damages dopamine and other receptors but i've known meth addicts...they have a personality and everything, so its not like his is going to be determinetal in later periods. Just stay away from the meth, take good supplements and let your brain heal from excessive use

Heavy means usally over long periods of time, like when you hear the term 'heavy benzo use' that means high doses, and long periods, excessive use.

 

Re: Heavy v. recreational?

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 11, 2021, at 19:43:20

In reply to Re: Heavy v. recreational?, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 11, 2021, at 18:28:59

you could get a therapist, or put yourself through nueroplacity or that term where you grow new brain cells. I also took DL phenylaine one time for excessive periods, and you not suppost to take an antipsychotic with it, it did do some, i kinda lost my sponatenous way of thought, but just post here, tell your status how you doing and know there is a few posters that are concerned and maybe could help

i know this maybe a bad time your going through because yes i would be concerened too if i was doing m-amphetamine and passed out. Just, try to keep postive thinking, try to weed out the doom gloom feeling

 

Re: Heavy v. recreational? rjlockhart37

Posted by amd on January 12, 2021, at 12:04:51

In reply to Re: Heavy v. recreational?, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 11, 2021, at 19:43:20

Sorry - I didn't word it well. I didn't pass out from the methamphetamine. I passed out because I was tired after being up 24 hours.

 

Re: Heavy v. recreational? linkadge

Posted by amd on January 12, 2021, at 12:05:47

In reply to Re: Heavy v. recreational?, posted by linkadge on January 11, 2021, at 17:53:24

It's been two days, and I just feel a little off. I'm hoping I didn't do permanent damage.

amd

 

Re: Heavy v. recreational? RX vs. dealer cut.. amd

Posted by jay2112 on January 12, 2021, at 21:01:56

In reply to Re: Heavy v. recreational? linkadge, posted by amd on January 12, 2021, at 12:05:47

> It's been two days, and I just feel a little off. I'm hoping I didn't do permanent damage.
>
> amd

Well, I have been on amphetamine (Dexedrine), high doses for about 25 years. I then switched to it's equivalent pro-drug, Vyvanse. These have been my 'saviour' meds...I have terrible ADD, and deep depression. On these meds, I completed an Honour's thesis. See, the RX versions are quite tested for consistency, and quality control. It's just you don't know what XXXX the dealer has cut this stuff with. Even in Toronto they have been giving out RX grade heroin, and the meta analysis showed a reduction in SFX and accidental OD.

Do you have a doctor to prescribe, to give it a whirl?

Jay

 

Re: Heavy v. recreational?

Posted by linkadge on January 13, 2021, at 15:48:13

In reply to Re: Heavy v. recreational? linkadge, posted by amd on January 12, 2021, at 12:05:47

Yeah, I would see where you are after 15 or so days of not using. Recreational amphetamines are best avoided. The question is what you are trying to accomplish. Are you looking for more energy? Or is it more of a mood pick me up? Or is it simply a craving? Not trying to probe or be judgmental (I find nothing morally wrong with people using drugs), but when you know your motives, you can determine possible alternatives.

Linkadge

 

Re: Heavy v. recreational?

Posted by undopaminergic on January 14, 2021, at 9:46:52

In reply to Re: Heavy v. recreational? rjlockhart37, posted by amd on January 12, 2021, at 12:04:51

> Sorry - I didn't word it well. I didn't pass out from the methamphetamine. I passed out because I was tired after being up 24 hours.
>

That's something (staying up 24 h or more) you can get used to, but it can be a dangerous thing to experiment with. I had psychosis (including auditory hallucinations) from sleep deprivation.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Heavy v. recreational? undopaminergic

Posted by amd on January 15, 2021, at 15:52:04

In reply to Re: Heavy v. recreational?, posted by undopaminergic on January 14, 2021, at 9:46:52

It was a one-off thing because I had too much to drink, and was uninhibited. I neither desire to use nor enjoy it, and I'm mainly worried the once or two-time uses have caused permanent brain damage. :-(


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