Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 1112832

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phenibut nearing removal

Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 7, 2020, at 16:57:06

so, i've been not taking it since 2 months ago, i had to be hospitized to get the withdrawl helped. This is the thing, i was taking higher doses for anxiety, and yes phenibut defiently works, it's a gabapentinpoid just like nuerontin but it's also a GABA - beta agonist

i rerember all those years of feeling anxiety free from it, but the horrid memory of having to withdrawl after i couldnt buy it. FDA has been urging websites and places that sell it to remove it. It's become a craze for a while to buy it. I posted about it, i don't know if those posts go on google for the net to read, but from 2017-2019 skyrocket in people that started buying it.

It relives anxiety defiently, but it's withdrawls at (higher doses) resemble barbiturates, not eating insomnia, siezures. I compared them and it is similar to barbiturate withdrawl. Terrible expereince

 

Re: phenibut nearing removal

Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 7, 2020, at 17:10:39

In reply to phenibut nearing removal, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 7, 2020, at 16:57:06

it's hard to say goodbye to it, i posted about it over years during 2017-now. It's become a craze to buy now, and now it's nearing the end. Too many withdrawls from people taking extremly high doses, and haivng barbiturate-like withdrawls

it improved mood, relieved anxiety, it was so perfect then the craze started, embarrasing to say addiction. Some probaly bought it and took a small dose then stopped. Then everyone just crazed in buying it. I have stick with nuerontin, it's a gabapentinoid just like phenibut but less euphoric or well-being feeling

 

Re: phenibut nearing removal

Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 7, 2020, at 17:31:42

In reply to phenibut nearing removal, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 7, 2020, at 16:57:06

screw all this stupid blah blah crap, don't ever touch the stuff

 

Re: phenibut nearing removal

Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 7, 2020, at 20:21:31

In reply to Re: phenibut nearing removal, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 7, 2020, at 17:31:42

history moment of foreign substance being used in the US through supplemental diet (supplement products), it was a life saver for years but this drug has barbiturate-like withdrawl symptoms when it's used in higher doses, it requires tapering just like any other would

 

Re: phenibut nearing removal

Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 7, 2020, at 20:56:37

In reply to Re: phenibut nearing removal, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 7, 2020, at 20:21:31

i'll just go ahead and write the experience with the withdrawl, instead of writing barbiturate like withdrawls, ill just say what happened. I decided not to take it anymore, and realized that it's being restricted and then it came that i cold ended the intake. I knew that i was gonna have to go in, first ... the insomnia, i was awake for 3 days, i rerember getting cold clammy feet and hands, and had this primal fear feeling, but anyways i got to the hospital, they put me in one of the units, the first couple hours were confusing because they didnt even do anything, they just said we're gonna cut you off diazepam and nuvigil, and go to sleep, i stayed awake in the hallways just pacing back and forth, the staff was oblvious, so it took 2 days to finally see a nurse practitioner, they said i was manic, i was sweating (i had been sweating, because of the intense anxiety from withdrawl) she cut my prozac and started lithium, i told basically the reason, they had no idea what it was (because it's not classfied in US, or drug manuels) it told them what it was, they googled it. Then say we'll decide what to do. I waited a day, and they started me on librium, 200mg a day for 4 days i would take 50mg (2 25mg capsules) every 4-5 hours ...then slowly tapered me off librium. The first night the librium hardly had any effect, because of tolerant GABA level, the nuerotrasmitter sites The phenibut had caused it to increase and be resistant to be benzos. This is from high dose, not just on the bottle, which gives directions only use for a few days. It made gaba sites resistant and tolerant. It took 2 days for the librium to acutally have noticable effect. What i was doing before the hospital, was taking GABA supplement to restore the sites, or the nuerotransmitter levels. Kinda like l-tyrosine that repensishes dopamine from stimulant use. Anyways, i met some intesting there, the first roomate snored so loud it was heard down the hallway, the 2nd roomate was doo doo crap because he craped his pants all the time, it was discusting, and that's as a joke. there wasnt enough rooms to transmfer. Did not look forward to going to sleep with someone with diazpers on, having to be changed. Other people there were intresting, a little crazy but i wasnt in the crazy unit. After a while, i noticed my appiate disappeared for about 2 days, that's one of the effects of phenibut withdrawl, no appitite. Lost weight during my stay there, because of side effect withdrawl. So finally i got discharged, and i was stable, but still when i left the hospital i still had to take GABA supplement. It took 2 months, now im on nuerontin. I don't need GABA supplement anymore. Prayer requests online, sending prayer requests to churches was what made it level out. Prayer was only thing. But in the past, this drug is yes, a sedative. I had primal fear during withdrawls in the past, i would just stay in my room and be terrified of nothing, feel scared but there's nothing there to be scared of. Scared of the feeling, mainly. Sweating, clammy hands, no appitite, crazed feeling, insomnia. Barbiturate withdrawl - i have to say is worse, i don't know why i said it was similar - but siezures can also happen, thank god i take lamictal, that was what was preventing siezures. Alot of people on the net keep it low key, i don't know how they have to deal with it, if they have to get hospitalized or they just pain it out. I mean, it's not a dangerous thing, but it ... can hurt, or put someone through hell when they take it, or move to higher doses (then stop). People here, posted about phenibut, there was no big deal about it. But it was my case that was bad. Lamictal was keeping the siezures away, ebcause siezres are part of withdrawl. If you compare this to say like amobarbital, hell yes amobarbital withdrawl is worse, dangerous. Phenibut is able to get through it, but your put through hell, and have some serious symptoms, but not as dangerous as amobarbital withdrawl. So, it's eventually gonna be ... i don't know taken off market. People like me, who had severe anxiety and found supplements thinking it was, but foriegn substance, that was used in dietry products. So, that's all i have to say. I just needed to write what happened, give a better glymps of reality with what happened in my case. Wrote all this drama, but you know it's real and its the truth. So, hope others known what happens. Some have no, none effect after they stop because of low doses. So, be causious. End of log

 

Re: phenibut nearing removal

Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 7, 2020, at 21:09:14

In reply to Re: phenibut nearing removal, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 7, 2020, at 20:56:37

forget about the roommate part, but yes i had to deal with 2 roommates that i went to sleep in therapy room to get away. There was no rooms to transfer too and the staff didnt do anything.

 

Re: phenibut nearing removal

Posted by Lamdage22 on December 7, 2020, at 23:19:31

In reply to Re: phenibut nearing removal, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 7, 2020, at 21:09:14

Oh wow, I had no idea. I just didn't notice an effect from Phenibut and ditched it.

 

Re: phenibut nearing removal

Posted by Lamdage22 on December 7, 2020, at 23:22:32

In reply to Re: phenibut nearing removal, posted by Lamdage22 on December 7, 2020, at 23:19:31

Yeah, natural supplements tend to have less side effects than meds, but they can absolutely have some.

 

Re: phenibut nearing removal

Posted by undopaminergic on December 8, 2020, at 4:08:29

In reply to phenibut nearing removal, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 7, 2020, at 16:57:06

>
> It relives anxiety defiently, but it's withdrawls at (higher doses) resemble barbiturates, not eating insomnia, siezures. I compared them and it is similar to barbiturate withdrawl. Terrible expereince
>

No effects, no withdrawal, in my experience. And it tastes horrible so you can't increase the dose enough to get an effect.

As far as I'm concerned, good riddance if they remove it.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: phenibut nearing removal undopaminergic

Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 8, 2020, at 11:54:35

In reply to Re: phenibut nearing removal, posted by undopaminergic on December 8, 2020, at 4:08:29

yes i wrote some people have low doses, and have no problem with withdral, at low doses, i was taking it for very long at high doses, it jacked my GABA sites up. I was taking it nd totally stopped, then withdrawl started the next day, phenibut is probaly not as bad as barbiturate withdrawl, but very close to it at high doses then totally quiting. It's a substance that requires tapering off it, just like any other drug. Even nuerontin would have bad withdrawls, but phenibut withdrawl is hell

 

Re: phenibut nearing removal Lamdage22

Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 8, 2020, at 11:56:31

In reply to Re: phenibut nearing removal, posted by Lamdage22 on December 7, 2020, at 23:22:32

it has effects at higher doses that feels somewhat very calming. It's a drug, that's the fact and it was substance that was sold in dietary supplement in US

 

Re: phenibut nearing removal

Posted by Lamdage22 on December 10, 2020, at 3:11:38

In reply to Re: phenibut nearing removal Lamdage22, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 8, 2020, at 11:56:31

Higher than recommended guess. I have never done that thus I had no effect.

 

Re: phenibut nearing removal Lamdage22

Posted by linkadge on December 10, 2020, at 15:06:53

In reply to Re: phenibut nearing removal, posted by Lamdage22 on December 10, 2020, at 3:11:38

This is a shame. Phenibut actually does help me.

Linkadge

 

Re: phenibut nearing removal

Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 10, 2020, at 16:45:55

In reply to Re: phenibut nearing removal Lamdage22, posted by linkadge on December 10, 2020, at 15:06:53

link - it's in the US, not sure about canada they still do have it online

it's in the USA with the FDA making websitets not sell it, because of heavy withdrawls. It became a craze to buy from 2017-2019 in US

 

Re: phenibut nearing removal

Posted by linkadge on December 13, 2020, at 14:18:12

In reply to Re: phenibut nearing removal, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 10, 2020, at 16:45:55

>websitets not sell it, because of heavy withdrawls

By that logic, alcohol should be removed too.

Linkadge

 

Re: phenibut nearing removal

Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 13, 2020, at 15:37:56

In reply to Re: phenibut nearing removal, posted by linkadge on December 13, 2020, at 14:18:12

link - this is how i know, they no longer can sell it as a dietary supplement, in the US it was sold on nutropics and dietary supplements, and i don't know the exact fact of whats happening with it. But in US the FDA has cracked down on websites selling it. But i'm not sure how it is in cananda. The reason was because of the withdrawls it has, people were taking the pill kinda of phenibut, and having bad withdrawls. It doenst havve bad withdrawls at lower doses, but there is people who aare taking high amounts to resemble a benzo. That's kinda what's going on. Phenibut is gabapentinoid with GABA - b agonist properties

But, as far as i know, yes it still is sold. My doctor was really angry with me that i was taking it, she took me off diazepam, and it was just a hard smash to take. It's not totally banned but it's coming close in the US

 

Re: phenibut nearing removal

Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 13, 2020, at 15:43:41

In reply to Re: phenibut nearing removal, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 13, 2020, at 15:37:56

hosptial - librium used, left hospital - started nuerontin - saw doctor - removal off diazepam - hard smash to take that hurt

 

Re: phenibut nearing removal

Posted by Skeletor on December 18, 2020, at 16:31:45

In reply to phenibut nearing removal, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 7, 2020, at 16:57:06

Where can I get it? I live in Germany....


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