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amytal commercially removed

Posted by rjlockhart37 on November 30, 2020, at 21:14:51

an old barbiturate in US that was used for sleep, and mixed with dexedrine = Dexayml got removed. Only barbiturate mainly now is seconal for insomnia. That kinda stinks, but amobarbital is also known as truth serum, it does something up there where your more likely to tell the truth, even while on it. Hard to lie, under drug influience i guess

 

Re: amytal commercially removed

Posted by rjlockhart37 on November 30, 2020, at 21:23:30

In reply to amytal commercially removed, posted by rjlockhart37 on November 30, 2020, at 21:14:51

actually im not sure, but it's not on medication barbiturate use anymore. It's the old barbiturate called 'blue heavans' because the capsules were blue, light blue. I dont know im correct, google it or something.

 

Re: amytal commercially removed

Posted by sigismund on November 30, 2020, at 21:42:28

In reply to Re: amytal commercially removed, posted by rjlockhart37 on November 30, 2020, at 21:23:30

Yeah, they were a lightish blue, the capsules anyway.

 

Re: amytal commercially removed

Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 1, 2020, at 15:58:40

In reply to Re: amytal commercially removed, posted by sigismund on November 30, 2020, at 21:42:28

they have discontined it, the secobarbital/amobarbital tuinal capsules are still around but limited mainly only seconal is main med for insomnia, they have aprobarbital, butabarbital that dr's still can prescirbe but they got rid of truth serum capsules

 

Re: amytal commercially removed

Posted by undopaminergic on December 5, 2020, at 7:07:32

In reply to amytal commercially removed, posted by rjlockhart37 on November 30, 2020, at 21:14:51

> That kinda stinks, but amobarbital is also known as truth serum,

I think that is more so with Pentothal (sodium thiopental).

> it does something up there where your more likely to tell the truth, even while on it. Hard to lie, under drug influience i guess
>

It catches you off-guard, much like alcohol, ie. you let down your guard and you get less careful about what truths you reveal. It dulls your intellect and lulls you into something like a false sense of security and/or comfort.

Like drunken rambling, you should probably treat any confessions under barbiturates with a grain of salt.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: amytal commercially removed

Posted by Christ_empowered on December 5, 2020, at 8:02:55

In reply to Re: amytal commercially removed, posted by undopaminergic on December 5, 2020, at 7:07:32

i don't see the big deal. the benzodiazepines have long outsold barbiturates for the vast majority of indications. benzodiazepines are remarkably similar, just...safer, fewer drug-drug interactions, tolerance is unlikely to lead to an unintentional lethal overdose, etc. etc. etc.

Quaaludes, on the other hand, should probably have just been better regulated (and more carefully prescribed) rather than being banned, outright. not that I'm a huge retro drug fan, but it does seem the the quaaludes were a lot safer than barbiturates and many doctors came to appreciate the effectiveness in insomnia, with little or no hang over. even then, though...

long term sedative use is not desirable, and the ill effects can easily outweigh any benefits (not always, please don't get angry with me). this is obviously true of benzodiazepines, especially with Klonopin becoming the It benzodiazepine for long term maintenance, despite a higher risk of drug induced depression vs other available options.

 

Re: amytal commercially removed

Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 5, 2020, at 17:16:36

In reply to Re: amytal commercially removed, posted by Christ_empowered on December 5, 2020, at 8:02:55

undopaminergic - yes, but sodium amytal was used in psychiatric session during the 1950s and before, it's intermidate barbiturate, lasts about 6 hours, its more potent as phenobabrital but less potent than secobarbital and pentobarbital, but it was also called 'goof balls' 'blue heavans' which yes it catches you off guard. But, yea amobarbital is gone, and its old drug, it was released or patented to market in 1922. Secobarbital was releassed in early 1930s here in the US. Most all of them yes CE said are outdated and useless compared to safer alternatives. Buts still a barbiturate produces 'peace', benzos seem to have 'tranquil' feeling, they both work GABA but benzos open the frequency of choride channel " BDZs are understood to potentiate GABA(A) receptor function by increasing channel opening frequency, in contrast to barbiturates, which increase channel open duration"

thats why barbiturates have a diffrent type of sedation than benzos, it keeps the channel opening longer, while benzos keep the frequency higher

 

Re: amytal commercially removed

Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 5, 2020, at 18:36:58

In reply to Re: amytal commercially removed, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 5, 2020, at 17:16:36

being hooked on amytal is not good, they used it in world war 2 to treat 'shell shock' from soldiers making them sleep, then causing impairment when they went back out

 

Re: amytal commercially removed

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 18, 2021, at 15:57:11

In reply to Re: amytal commercially removed, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 5, 2020, at 18:36:58

so the only barbiturates that are avilable (that are at pharmacies) are secobarbital and pentobarbitral, butabarbital and aprobarbital, phenobarbital. And those pretty much are the only barbituates that are avilable. They removed amobarbital because one it was out of patent, 2nd depedence and outdated. Phenobarbital is more perferred out of all barbiturates, mainly for siezures

 

Re: amytal commercially removed

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 18, 2021, at 15:59:46

In reply to Re: amytal commercially removed, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 5, 2020, at 18:36:58

I don't know much about barbs, there old and almost never used anymore.


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