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BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by Lamdage22 on September 30, 2020, at 9:20:32

What are the pros and cons of this? I have great difficulties socially. It is excruciating!

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by Lamdage22 on September 30, 2020, at 9:23:16

In reply to BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by Lamdage22 on September 30, 2020, at 9:20:32

Sometimes I just flee and dont want to explain why. I just dont like situations where I cant withdraw from the situation if I need to!

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by linkadge on September 30, 2020, at 15:11:09

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by Lamdage22 on September 30, 2020, at 9:23:16

I haven't heard of much efficacy of buspar for social anxiety. It's efficacy (IMO) is limited for any forms of anxiety. That being said, it's pretty safe. You could always give it a whirl.

Linkadge

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by creepy on September 30, 2020, at 15:11:52

In reply to BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by Lamdage22 on September 30, 2020, at 9:20:32

I tried buspar and trintellix, neither seemed to help with that stuff. Just not powerful enough.

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by sigismund on October 1, 2020, at 0:50:57

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by creepy on September 30, 2020, at 15:11:52

Not for me.

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by undopaminergic on October 1, 2020, at 3:33:43

In reply to BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by Lamdage22 on September 30, 2020, at 9:20:32

> What are the pros and cons of this? I have great difficulties socially. It is excruciating!
>

I don't think buspirone would help much, if at all.

More than just symptom relief, you may (and perhaps should) approach this more psychodynamically (as opposed to pharmacodynamically). Try analysing what you're afraid or anxious about. You must first have insight before you can try to act on those insights. A good psychologist (some psychiatrists too, and psychoanalysts) can help you explore these issues if you are not getting anywhere on your own. Once you know more precisely what you're afraid of, you can try exposure therapy -- deliberately, with will-power, you act contrary to your inclinations, and force yourself to confront your fears and anxieties. With continued practice, it will become easier and easier.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by Lamdage22 on October 1, 2020, at 3:37:27

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by undopaminergic on October 1, 2020, at 3:33:43

Yeah, it is doubtful whether a pill can fix this. When introducing them to the market, they always say that pills against anxiety are not addictive. But then they all turn out to be addictive. Aloradine may be the same! I am seeing a psychologist.


> > What are the pros and cons of this? I have great difficulties socially. It is excruciating!
> >
>
> I don't think buspirone would help much, if at all.
>
> More than just symptom relief, you may (and perhaps should) approach this more psychodynamically (as opposed to pharmacodynamically). Try analysing what you're afraid or anxious about. You must first have insight before you can try to act on those insights. A good psychologist (some psychiatrists too, and psychoanalysts) can help you explore these issues if you are not getting anywhere on your own. Once you know more precisely what you're afraid of, you can try exposure therapy -- deliberately, with will-power, you act contrary to your inclinations, and force yourself to confront your fears and anxieties. With continued practice, it will become easier and easier.
>
> -undopaminergic
>

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by undopaminergic on October 1, 2020, at 4:26:02

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by Lamdage22 on October 1, 2020, at 3:37:27

> Yeah, it is doubtful whether a pill can fix this. When introducing them to the market, they always say that pills against anxiety are not addictive. But then they all turn out to be addictive.
>

It is addictive to be relieved of anxiety. It's seems almost inevitable that at least some degree of dependence would ensue.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by Lamdage22 on October 1, 2020, at 4:58:53

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by undopaminergic on October 1, 2020, at 4:26:02

I believe you are right. If thst is true though, then avoidance is the worst addiction of them all.

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by undopaminergic on October 1, 2020, at 5:02:32

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by Lamdage22 on October 1, 2020, at 4:58:53

> I believe you are right. If thst is true though, then avoidance is the worst addiction of them all.
>

I'm not sure what you mean by avoidance?

-undopaminergic

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by Lamdage22 on October 1, 2020, at 5:41:13

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by undopaminergic on October 1, 2020, at 5:02:32

The act of avoiding social situations in order to relieve anxiety!

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by undopaminergic on October 1, 2020, at 6:03:50

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by Lamdage22 on October 1, 2020, at 5:41:13

> The act of avoiding social situations in order to relieve anxiety!

Oh, yes, that is the exact opposite of exposure therapy.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by Lamdage22 on October 1, 2020, at 9:06:21

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by undopaminergic on October 1, 2020, at 6:03:50

Is it exposure therapy if I simply decide to go somewhere despite social anxiety?

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by undopaminergic on October 1, 2020, at 9:10:15

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by Lamdage22 on October 1, 2020, at 9:06:21

> Is it exposure therapy if I simply decide to go somewhere despite social anxiety?
>

Obviously it's not formal "therapy", but yes, that is the general and essential idea.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by Lamdage22 on October 1, 2020, at 9:16:31

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by undopaminergic on October 1, 2020, at 9:10:15

If the situation is not important fog my life, I dont care. So I have to incorporate this into my life and try to wean off this avoidance crap. Cant go cold turkey though!

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by Lamdage22 on October 1, 2020, at 14:09:27

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by Lamdage22 on October 1, 2020, at 9:16:31

I decided to get a punching bag. Maybe it will help me with my anger. I was brainwashed into thinking it is a bad thing that should not be expressed or used in any way. I already lift weights, but it is not enough. I am scared of people because I can't or don't want to defend myself. This must change.

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety? » Lamdage22

Posted by sigismund on October 1, 2020, at 14:46:36

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by Lamdage22 on October 1, 2020, at 4:58:53

There is some Zen saying to the effect that our suffering consists of (or is aggravated by?) thinking that there is a way out.

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by sigismund on October 1, 2020, at 14:49:35

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by Lamdage22 on October 1, 2020, at 9:06:21

Is your anxiety telling you something you need to know?

Throwing yourself into anxiety producing situations is not always a good idea.

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety? » Lamdage22

Posted by Phillipa on October 1, 2020, at 20:28:44

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by Lamdage22 on October 1, 2020, at 14:09:27

Baby steps start with maybe 15minutes somewhere that you fear and take someone you trust with you for support. Phillipa

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by Christ_empowered on October 1, 2020, at 21:36:30

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety? » Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on October 1, 2020, at 20:28:44

Not trying to play doctor, here, but...

Is there any way your treatment people could try lowering the neuroleptic dosage for you? Heavy dopamine blockade can result in more anxiety, social withdrawal, and frontal lobe syndrome. I just think maybe that would be worth discussing 1st, instead of adding to the mix.

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by undopaminergic on October 2, 2020, at 3:08:53

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by Lamdage22 on October 1, 2020, at 14:09:27

> I already lift weights, but it is not enough.

I do that too as of the recent few months. Alas, my progress has stagnated -- do you have any ideas?

-undopaminergic

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by Lamdage22 on October 2, 2020, at 3:20:23

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by undopaminergic on October 2, 2020, at 3:08:53

I can tell you what I like to do (successfully). For beginners, this plan is good: 3 sets of 8-12 reps:

Day 1:
Squats
Benchpress
Bent over Row

Day 2:
Deadlifts
Shoulder Press
Pull-Ups

Train 3 times a week alternating between Day 1 and Day 2. Increase the weight by 5 pounds regularly (every time you can do 3 sets of your target rep range. This is the most time efficient thing you can do. You need to get the technique straight though. Do you know how to do these exercises?

Then you need to consume 0.85g of Protein for every pound you weigh.

I used to be really good before my mental health crisis. Now I am back to beginner level. But I think I can go back to being good by staying consistent.

> > I already lift weights, but it is not enough.
>
> I do that too as of the recent few months. Alas, my progress has stagnated -- do you have any ideas?
>
> -undopaminergic
>

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by undopaminergic on October 2, 2020, at 6:34:28

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by Lamdage22 on October 2, 2020, at 3:20:23

> I can tell you what I like to do (successfully). For beginners, this plan is good: 3 sets of 8-12 reps:
>
> Day 1:
> Squats
> Benchpress
> Bent over Row
>
> Day 2:
> Deadlifts
> Shoulder Press
> Pull-Ups
>
> Train 3 times a week alternating between Day 1 and Day 2. Increase the weight by 5 pounds regularly (every time you can do 3 sets of your target rep range. This is the most time efficient thing you can do. You need to get the technique straight though. Do you know how to do these exercises?
>

Some of them, sort of. I sometimes do what I call legpush/press, straightening my legs and pushing a "platform" away with my feet, so it is a bit like squatting, but not the whole way. However, I can already lift the max load (150 kg) in this exercise, and over 40 reps, so I've stopped bothering with this. I walk, sometimes up to about 3 hours a day, but lately about 1--1.5 hours a day. I may consider taking up jogging/running, but I don't like to get sweaty.

I use the same machine to do "toepush", straightening my ankles as if standing on my toes. I can do at least 130 kg on this, and about 30 reps, so I guess I should increase the load.

I do benchpress, but only with 20 kg, about 20 reps. I am cautious with this exercise, because it may turn out I can't lift one more (to hang up the weight bar) and then I need assistance. I do pushups to exercise about the same muscles, and I can do about 20 reps. This is in contrast to 80+ reps in my late teens!

I do pullups, about 10 reps. Then I also do pulldowns, about 10 reps with a 65 kg load. I've been at 65 kg for a long time now, which is why I feel I have stagnated. I do "partial" pulldowns when I can't do more full ones, so I might do 10/30 reps as an example (meaning first 10 full ones and then 20 partial ones).

I also sometimes do dumbbells in a way so as the exercise the biceps. Approximately, I sit down and put my elbow on my knee or thigh and bend the arm so as to lift the weight up near my head. I can do about 20 reps per arm.

I don't know what shoulder press or bent over row is.

I train about 3 times a week. I should do the pushups more often because these do not require any machines, but I'm too lazy...

> Then you need to consume 0.85g of Protein for every pound you weigh.
>

I take a few heaped table spoons of a protein powder after training. I do this also for the benefit of having raw material for neurotransmitters, especially the 3 monoamines.

> I used to be really good before my mental health crisis. Now I am back to beginner level. But I think I can go back to being good by staying consistent.
>

For me, this is the first period in life when I'm training consistently.

-undopaminergic

> > > I already lift weights, but it is not enough.
> >
> > I do that too as of the recent few months. Alas, my progress has stagnated -- do you have any ideas?
> >
> > -undopaminergic
> >
>
>

 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by Lamdage22 on October 2, 2020, at 8:17:05

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by undopaminergic on October 2, 2020, at 6:34:28

Haha, yeah you are doing more than me in terms of endurance then! Hmm. I understand, sticky and stuff, but that shouldn't keep you from working out. With weightlifting, you will get sweaty if you want to improve.

> I walk, sometimes up to about 3 hours a day, but lately about 1--1.5 hours a day. I may consider taking up jogging/running, but I don't like to get sweaty.

I stopped working out my calves. Its not that important, especially not at the beginning. Deadlifts hit calves a bit. too. It is mostly genes with calves anyway. I would describe myself as slightly above average, which means not much growth will take place there, no matter how hard I hit them!

> I use the same machine to do "toepush", straightening my ankles as if standing on my toes. I can do at least 130 kg on this, and about 30 reps, so I guess I should increase the load.

Right, until you get the technique right, you shouldn't go heavy with any of the exercises that I mentioned. Need to know what you are doing and feel comfortable with it. These are all "compound" exercises. They hit many muscles at once. That is why it can pay off to learn and use them.

Doesn't your gym have safety bars? If you don't use clamps for the weights you can let the plates fall off if you lower one side of the bar, the other side will come down then, too.

> I do benchpress, but only with 20 kg, about 20 reps. I am cautious with this exercise, because it may turn out I can't lift one more (to hang up the weight bar) and then I need assistance. I do pushups to exercise about the same muscles, and I can do about 20 reps. This is in contrast to 80+ reps in my late teens!


 

Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?

Posted by Lamdage22 on October 2, 2020, at 8:18:37

In reply to Re: BuSpar for social anxiety?, posted by Lamdage22 on October 2, 2020, at 8:17:05

Its kind of more natural to train muscles in compound, because that is how they are used in sports and every day tasks.


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