Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 1111692

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Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT

Posted by PCB on August 15, 2020, at 16:10:13

I am doing rTMS to see if I can get off Nardil. If rTMS does not work, I will have start my last option, life long ECT. 35+ drug trials have all failed. I will leave my job and go on disability.

Before I start ECT, has anyone read or met or heard of someone getting off Nardil? Never thought I would have one of the worst cases of depression, fail all meds and be on ECT single and alone. Such a sad worthless life

PCB

 

Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT

Posted by sigismund on August 15, 2020, at 20:34:19

In reply to Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT, posted by PCB on August 15, 2020, at 16:10:13

>Before I start ECT, has anyone read or met or heard of someone getting off Nardil?

I've heard of people who couldn't....but I wouldn't know.

 

Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT

Posted by Lamdage22 on August 15, 2020, at 20:41:39

In reply to Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT, posted by sigismund on August 15, 2020, at 20:34:19

I did. It wasn't a difficult decision because it had lots of unwanted effects like psychosis at times. It is an adjustment, but it is doable. Have you already done ECT? Because I wouldn't. I have seen people who did. Ever tried supplements? In combination, they turned things around for me.

 

Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT

Posted by Lamdage22 on August 15, 2020, at 20:44:12

In reply to Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT, posted by Lamdage22 on August 15, 2020, at 20:41:39

Have turned things around? I am learning about grammar right now, and I am still often unsure:) I mean that things are still turned around now, so I guess "have turned things around".

 

Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT

Posted by Lamdage22 on August 16, 2020, at 0:24:11

In reply to Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT, posted by sigismund on August 15, 2020, at 20:34:19

I am almost sure there are still options aside from ECT. You decide. Damage from ECT is often irreversible.

 

Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT

Posted by linkadge on August 16, 2020, at 8:15:03

In reply to Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT, posted by PCB on August 15, 2020, at 16:10:13

Have you tried ketamine? It might be worth discontinuing nardil to try this.

Linkadge

 

Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT

Posted by SLS on August 16, 2020, at 13:25:06

In reply to Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT, posted by linkadge on August 16, 2020, at 8:15:03

> Have you tried ketamine? It might be worth discontinuing nardil to try this.
>
> Linkadge

Why is it necessary to discontinue other medications in order to take ketamine?


- Scott

 

Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT » SLS

Posted by linkadge on August 16, 2020, at 17:31:52

In reply to Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT, posted by SLS on August 16, 2020, at 13:25:06

Yeah, I guess we've had that conversation before. Off the cuff, I was thinking about a serotonergic interaction (ketamine has some effects on serotonin reuptake). However, I guess it has been used in combination with MAOIs before.

Linkadge

 

Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT

Posted by linkadge on August 16, 2020, at 17:32:57

In reply to Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT, posted by SLS on August 16, 2020, at 13:25:06

In this day and age, a ketamine trial SHOULD come before ECT. I don't know what kind of psychiatrist would recommend ECT before trying ketamine. Logistically that makes zero sense.

Linkadge

 

Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT

Posted by Stargazer2 on August 16, 2020, at 21:12:29

In reply to Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT, posted by linkadge on August 16, 2020, at 17:32:57

No need to come off other meds unless the doc is unfamiliar with the interactions. An anesthesiologist told me to come off it but she didnt know as much as the doc that eventually did it. A psychiatrist.
Have either Linkage or SLS had Ketamine and If so what was the outcome.
It is not covered by insurance but I agree the sequence of procedures for depression should be TMS, Ketamine,!then ECT. My sequencing was ECT, TMS and Ketamine. *ss backwards but that have been the course of my treatment.

 

Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT

Posted by Lamdage22 on August 16, 2020, at 21:44:10

In reply to Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT, posted by Stargazer2 on August 16, 2020, at 21:12:29

What is your experience with ECT? Met 10 people, and it didn't work for them. Most of them regretted it.

 

Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT

Posted by sigismund on August 16, 2020, at 23:27:39

In reply to Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT, posted by Lamdage22 on August 16, 2020, at 21:44:10

My psych said to me 'but they stopped complaining'.

When he was a register (I guess) they would get the husbands in. 'How is she handling the housework?' and 'How's your sex life?'

He said he'd never seen the gold standard work.

 

Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT

Posted by Lamdage22 on August 17, 2020, at 2:15:51

In reply to Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT, posted by sigismund on August 16, 2020, at 23:27:39

Because if they kept complaining, more inhumane treatments would be pushed at them. In my experience, the magic happens when you optimize your nutrients.

> My psych said to me 'but they stopped complaining'.

 

Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT

Posted by linkadge on August 17, 2020, at 7:35:44

In reply to Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT, posted by Lamdage22 on August 17, 2020, at 2:15:51

I have not taken ketamine (my depression, while frequently relapsing, is not completely unresponsive to other agents). However, I personally know a few people for whom it has been remarkably effective.

I convinced a friend to try ketamine before ECT. Not only did it work, but has kept him well for over a year. He takes it every month or so.

It's worth a shot for a few reasons:

1) if it works it will make you feel better FAST
2) you won't have to deal with weeks of side effects to see an effect
3) many patients need no other meds between doses.

If it doesn't work, you're really in no worse shape.

You might consider scopolamine too. You can get it OTC (here in Canada) as a treatment for nausea and it can be combined with nardil, no problem.

I bought some agmatine (which, purportedly has ketamine like antidepressant effects). I swear by it and have occasionally used it in combination with scopolamine.

Linkadge

 

Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT

Posted by PCB on August 17, 2020, at 12:10:09

In reply to Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT, posted by SLS on August 16, 2020, at 13:25:06


> Why is it necessary to discontinue other medications in order to take ketamine?
>
>
> - Scott

Hi Scott! I think you are on Nardil now and were on it in the past. I think you said you may been manic with Nardil Im the past. So that means you have switched of Nardil. Is there a reason you did not answer my question anyone switch off Nardil?

PCB

 

Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT

Posted by PCB on August 17, 2020, at 12:15:44

In reply to Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT, posted by SLS on August 16, 2020, at 13:25:06


> Why is it necessary to discontinue other medications in order to take ketamine?
>
>
> - Scott

Hi Scott! I think you are on Nardil now and were on it in the past. I think you said you may been manic with Nardil Im the past. So that means you have switched of Nardil. Is there a reason you did not answer my question anyone switch off Nardil?

PCB

 

No post answer my question. Why?

Posted by PCB on August 17, 2020, at 12:35:20

In reply to Re: Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT, posted by SLS on August 16, 2020, at 13:25:06

I love PB, but what confuses me is many people at PB do not answer the posters question. By the second or third post, the topic often has totally been changed. Its very frustrating.

I recently posted, Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT. The first reply was, I've heard of people who couldn't....but I wouldn't know. Now how does that help me? That answer is the direct opposite of the question I asked. And now the post has turned into a ketamine forum. Once again, how does ketamine answer my question, Anyone Ever Switch off Nardil? Need hope B4 ECT? It doesnt at all.

So I said I was desperate considering ECT that could affect my memory and people are not answering my question and posting about different topics. PB would be more helpful if people answered the question asked especially if the poster said they are desperate.

PCB

PS The irony is that one of the posters has come off Nardil and they fail to mention it. They talk about ketamine instead. So I am desperate, could loose my memory and there is someone who has tapered off Nardil successfully, but they instead talks about ketamine. Why would someone withhold potential lifesaving information on PB. That is another problem with PB

 

Re: No post answer my question. Why?

Posted by linkadge on August 17, 2020, at 14:16:04

In reply to No post answer my question. Why?, posted by PCB on August 17, 2020, at 12:35:20

Sometimes people don't have a direct answer, but they are trying to talk about related information which may be of use.

I was on parnate and came off no problem. I have not been on Nardil.

However, I don't see why you would be upset about the suggestion of looking into ketamine (or at least asking your doctor about it) before trying ECT.

Linkadge

 

Apologizes to Everyone!

Posted by PCB on August 17, 2020, at 15:10:08

In reply to No post answer my question. Why?, posted by PCB on August 17, 2020, at 12:35:20

Sorry everyone for the above post. I have been feeling very frustrated and trapped. I know everyone is here is helping me and things like ketamine is a great idea! Im sorry for taking my frustrations and fears out on all the caring people here at PB. I wish I could delete the above angry post!

So let me rephrase things .... I personally want to thank each and everyone who thoughtfully answered my post. You took time out of your day to help me when I have been down. I am lucky to have the amazing community at PB to turn to. I am blessed.

Sorry again.

 

Re: No post answer my question. Why? » linkadge

Posted by PCB on August 17, 2020, at 15:16:19

In reply to Re: No post answer my question. Why?, posted by linkadge on August 17, 2020, at 14:16:04

> Sometimes people don't have a direct answer, but they are trying to talk about related information which may be of use.
>
> I was on parnate and came off no problem. I have not been on Nardil.
>
> However, I don't see why you would be upset about the suggestion of looking into ketamine (or at least asking your doctor about it) before trying ECT.
>
> Linkadge

I am sorry Linkage. You and your advise are priceless. Ketamine is a great idea. Please accept my apology. I have just been depressed and down. My post was just me redirecting my frustration with my treatment onto the PB group. I was being a jerk. Sorry

 

Re: No post answer my question. Why?

Posted by linkadge on August 18, 2020, at 6:34:25

In reply to Re: No post answer my question. Why? » linkadge, posted by PCB on August 17, 2020, at 15:16:19

No no. It's a valid point. Sometimes its that you don't have a specific answer, but you still want to help in some way.

Doctor's familiarity with ketamine varies. A psychiatrist may push for ECT simply because they are not fully up to date on more recent developments. I know here in Canada, I could get ketamine in Toronto (which is about 1h drive) as an infusion. Although some people here have apparently had take home products (i.e. nasal sprays)? I should look more into this myself.

Anyhow, I *don't* think ECT is a terrible option. Most people do not have permanent memory loss. That being said, ketamine is a much less intrusive and safer option, and probably has efficacy rivaling that of ECT (although perhaps with a different set of responders).


Linkadge


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