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New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors

Posted by Nardil_Champ on May 15, 2020, at 6:41:10

Hey guys, I am pleased to announce my new Nardil site: https://nardil.org

I created this site to help others on Nardil, or those who might want to try it.

I also have a section with MAOI friendly doctors, submitted from users: https://nardil.org/view/maoi-doctors

Please help us build the list by submitting your doctor here: https://nardil.org/getting-nardil/maoi-friendly-doctors

As you are probably all aware, there is also currently a global shortage. Please see here for more information: https://nardil.org/global-nardil-shortage/

We also have some great success stories from users here, especially from "Ace" the Nardil Champion of the Universe! (if anyone knows how to contact him please let me know!)

I hope this is helpful.

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors Nardil_Champ

Posted by linkadge on May 15, 2020, at 10:44:22

In reply to New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors, posted by Nardil_Champ on May 15, 2020, at 6:41:10

Hey.

Great work. I fear that over time, if people don't keep making noise, the powers that be will relegate humans to increasingly useless antidepressants.

I wish I could get a MAOI trial. However, the hoops you have to jump through while depressed is very difficult.

Linkadge

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors Nardil_Champ

Posted by linkadge on May 15, 2020, at 10:45:15

In reply to New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors, posted by Nardil_Champ on May 15, 2020, at 6:41:10

Also,

I agree with the notion that they'd rather see you commit suicide than to try the MAOIS.

It's not about helping or healing people. Its about shutting them up.

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors

Posted by undopaminergic on May 15, 2020, at 12:08:26

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors Nardil_Champ, posted by linkadge on May 15, 2020, at 10:45:15

>
> I agree with the notion that they'd rather see you commit suicide than to try the MAOIS.
>

Honestly, I don't think they do. In practice, I'm afraid you're right. Some of them are truly afraid of MAOIs.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors undopaminergic

Posted by linkadge on May 15, 2020, at 14:42:09

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors, posted by undopaminergic on May 15, 2020, at 12:08:26

>Honestly, I don't think they do. In practice, I'm >afraid you're right. Some of them are truly afraid >of MAOIs.

It's unfortunate that the whole MAOI route was ultimately abandoned. Many natural products contain 'brain selective' MAOIs. For example, compounds like quercetin and resveratrol inhibit monoamine oxidase in the brain but not in the gut.

Depression really isn't taken seriously. I think the suicide rate has started to rise again in recent years.

Linkadge

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors

Posted by linkadge on May 15, 2020, at 14:47:10

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors, posted by undopaminergic on May 15, 2020, at 12:08:26

Yeah, according to Wikipedia..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_States

Sucides are at a 30 year high. I will imagine that the economic fallout from COVID (recession or depression) will push that rate higher.

Unfortunately, much of this has to do with loss of meaningful employment (in my opinion). I have a job but it is completely meaningless, stressful and in an area that is ripe for replacement by technology. This makes me very hopeless about the future and any sense of self worth.

Our economies seek to maximize profits and GDP, not human wellbeing.

Linkadge

 

New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors

Posted by Nardil_Champ on May 15, 2020, at 18:58:13

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors undopaminergic, posted by linkadge on May 15, 2020, at 14:42:09

> >Honestly, I don't think they do. In practice, I'm >afraid you're right. Some of them are truly afraid >of MAOIs.
>
> It's unfortunate that the whole MAOI route was ultimately abandoned. Many natural products contain 'brain selective' MAOIs. For example, compounds like quercetin and resveratrol inhibit monoamine oxidase in the brain but not in the gut.
>
> Depression really isn't taken seriously. I think the suicide rate has started to rise again in recent years.
>
> Linkadge
>

If they prescribed more MAOIs the suicide rates would plummet.

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors linkadge

Posted by undopaminergic on May 16, 2020, at 1:24:50

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors undopaminergic, posted by linkadge on May 15, 2020, at 14:42:09

> >Honestly, I don't think they do. In practice, I'm >afraid you're right. Some of them are truly afraid >of MAOIs.
>
> It's unfortunate that the whole MAOI route was ultimately abandoned. Many natural products contain 'brain selective' MAOIs. For example, compounds like quercetin and resveratrol inhibit monoamine oxidase in the brain but not in the gut.
>

So they are MAO-B selective then?

In any case the substances you mention are unpatentable.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors linkadge

Posted by undopaminergic on May 16, 2020, at 2:26:30

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors, posted by linkadge on May 15, 2020, at 14:47:10

> I have a job but it is completely meaningless, stressful and in an area that is ripe for replacement by technology. This makes me very hopeless about the future and any sense of self worth.
>

Surely you don't mean your self-esteem hinges upon your job?

-undopaminergic

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors

Posted by linkadge on May 16, 2020, at 19:19:07

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors linkadge, posted by undopaminergic on May 16, 2020, at 1:24:50

I believe that quercetin and resveratrol are MAO-A selective. Turmeric is also MAO-A selective (but also inhibits MAO-B). Turmeric however, apparently has low oral bioavailability.

As far as my job, unfortunately, yes it has a big influence on my mental health. I wish this were not the case and I haven't really found a way to change it.

My brain seems to 'reject' antidepressants as I see them as creating a false sense of happiness. I feel like they are trying to 'tell me to be happy', flooding my brain with 'happy chemicals' however I increasingly crave 'real' recovery. Growth. Depth. I feel that they cause gross alterations (shutting down) important circuitry. I seem to have given up on trying to improve my life because I don't know how to improve my life. I want to be cured and be able to contribute to society in a meaningful way. Unfortunately, I feel that my contributions are meaningless, use very few of my abilities and I constantly doubt I have the capacity to change that dynamic, because I feel that the future is bleak. I think a lot about how technology is taking away so many opportunities for people. I don't want chemical hope, I want real hope.

The drugs just seem to keep suppressing the desire for me to express myself in some way that I haven't figured out.

Chemical hope was ok for 20 years. As I get older, I want something deeper. Something real.


Linkadge


 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors

Posted by SLS on May 16, 2020, at 20:08:35

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors, posted by linkadge on May 16, 2020, at 19:19:07

> Chemical hope was ok for 20 years. As I get older, I want something deeper. Something real.

I once went to a psychologist who worked alongside a psychiatrist that I saw 25 years ago. By the end of the first session, he said that with such severe depression, I couldn't think my way out of a paper bag. He advised me to allow the psychiatrist to get my depression under control first before proceeding with psychotherapy. His point was that the skewing and muting of my psyche that resulted from brain dysfunction left me unable to improve my mind and outlook very much. That doesn't mean that psychotherapy doesn't have value. I set goals and defined issues with the last therapist I saw. I made some progress, but told the therapist that her main job was to keep me alive.

The brain and the mind are often inextricable. With depression, I think that a sort of positive feedback loop might be at work. Regardless of how the condition is triggered, depressive biology leads to depressive psychology, which in turn makes the biology worse, which in turn makes the psychology worse...

There seems to be a continuum of relative contributions. For some people, a psychotherapeutic intervention breaks the cycle. For others, the cycle can only be broken using a somatic treatment. Combining the two modalities might be necessary for some people.


- Scott

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors linkadge

Posted by undopaminergic on May 17, 2020, at 7:24:14

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors, posted by linkadge on May 16, 2020, at 19:19:07

> I believe that quercetin and resveratrol are MAO-A selective. Turmeric is also MAO-A selective (but also inhibits MAO-B). Turmeric however, apparently has low oral bioavailability.
>

The MAO in the gut is of type A, but you said they were brain-selective. How come they don't inhibit MAO-A in the gut if it's the same type?

Maybe they accumulate in the CNS?

> As far as my job, unfortunately, yes it has a big influence on my mental health. I wish this were not the case and I haven't really found a way to change it.
>
> Chemical hope was ok for 20 years. As I get older, I want something deeper. Something real.
>

I think you would benefit from psychotherapy. I know a site where you can get it online for 120 US$ after discounts. I'm using it myself.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors SLS

Posted by undopaminergic on May 17, 2020, at 7:29:42

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors, posted by SLS on May 16, 2020, at 20:08:35

>
> There seems to be a continuum of relative contributions. For some people, a psychotherapeutic intervention breaks the cycle. For others, the cycle can only be broken using a somatic treatment. Combining the two modalities might be necessary for some people.
>

The combination is always recommended by almost anyone who has an opinion on the matter.

In my case, I feel trimipramine (Surmontil) facilitates some psychodynamic processes.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors undopaminergic

Posted by linkadge on May 17, 2020, at 15:10:14

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors linkadge, posted by undopaminergic on May 17, 2020, at 7:24:14

>The MAO in the gut is of type A, but you said >they were brain-selective. How come they don't >inhibit MAO-A in the gut if it's the same type?
>Maybe they accumulate in the CNS?

I thought the same thing myself. But, you just can't get a tyramine reaction to natural MAOIs (never before reported). Perhaps there is some alternative binding site, or slight differences in brain vs. gut MAO. The study I read suggested single dose quercetin inhibited brain MAO-A fairly significantly had zero impact on peripheral MAO.

>I think you would benefit from psychotherapy. I >know a site where you can get it online for 120 >US$ after discounts. I'm using it myself

I have done psychotherapy in the past. The problem is that I don't believe it will help. In some ways I know the techniques of letting go. However, I go through phases where I don't want to let go. I don't want to settle for mediocre. I want my life to fundamentally change but I don't know how to do it. Unfortunately, I don't think a therapist can help me with that. I'm tired of looking at the bright side. I want to actually make my life brighter. But again, I don't know how.


Linkadge

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors

Posted by linkadge on May 17, 2020, at 15:12:30

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors SLS, posted by undopaminergic on May 17, 2020, at 7:29:42

I keep stopping meds because they just seem to block all form of personal growth. SSRIs are ok in the 'acute phase', but if I keep taking them I just become more stagnant and don't care.

Linkadge

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors linkadge

Posted by undopaminergic on May 18, 2020, at 3:35:35

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors undopaminergic, posted by linkadge on May 17, 2020, at 15:10:14

>
> >I think you would benefit from psychotherapy. I >know a site where you can get it online for 120 >US$ after discounts. I'm using it myself
>
> I have done psychotherapy in the past. The problem is that I don't believe it will help. In some ways I know the techniques of letting go. However, I go through phases where I don't want to let go. I don't want to settle for mediocre. I want my life to fundamentally change but I don't know how to do it. Unfortunately, I don't think a therapist can help me with that.
>

You need a therapist that suits you, and you need to have sessions often enough. In my experience, it helps, at least it empowers you with insights into your condition and your psychical "landscape" in general, and you may learn more or better coping skills. That is only on the surface though. If you go deeper and for longer, it has the potential to be life-transforming. Sometimes, or even often, with hypnotic regression, you can bring yourself to remember the situations that caused your symptoms and this may result in a rapid cure.

I don't want to get your hopes up too high. I'm just suggesting that psychotherapy works, if done right. There was a time when I was focussed almost exclusively on drug treatments, but I've come to appreciate psychodynamic interventions even more, because, unlike drugs, they can have lasting benefits.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors

Posted by undopaminergic on May 18, 2020, at 3:37:56

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors, posted by linkadge on May 17, 2020, at 15:12:30

> I keep stopping meds because they just seem to block all form of personal growth. SSRIs are ok in the 'acute phase', but if I keep taking them I just become more stagnant and don't care.
>

I'm familiar with the "don't care" of SSRIs too. Among other things, they make you not care enough to kill yourself.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors Nardil_Champ

Posted by Jadde on May 18, 2020, at 10:31:58

In reply to New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors, posted by Nardil_Champ on May 15, 2020, at 6:41:10

> Hey guys, I am pleased to announce my new Nardil site: https://nardil.org
>
> I created this site to help others on Nardil, or those who might want to try it.
>
> I also have a section with MAOI friendly doctors, submitted from users: https://nardil.org/view/maoi-doctors
>
> Please help us build the list by submitting your doctor here: https://nardil.org/getting-nardil/maoi-friendly-doctors
>
> As you are probably all aware, there is also currently a global shortage. Please see here for more information: https://nardil.org/global-nardil-shortage/
>
> We also have some great success stories from users here, especially from "Ace" the Nardil Champion of the Universe! (if anyone knows how to contact him please let me know!)
>
> I hope this is helpful.

Nice, thank you for the link! Nardil was a miracle for me.

Jade

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2020, at 12:40:43

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors linkadge, posted by undopaminergic on May 18, 2020, at 3:35:35

I sense that you are right. I think I found somebody like that. Now health insurance needs to give its ok.

If you go deeper and for longer, it has the potential to be life-transforming. Sometimes, or even often, with hypnotic regression, you can bring yourself to remember the situations that caused your symptoms and this may result in a rapid cure.
>
> I don't want to get your hopes up too high. I'm just suggesting that psychotherapy works, if done right. There was a time when I was focussed almost exclusively on drug treatments, but I've come to appreciate psychodynamic interventions even more, because, unlike drugs, they can have lasting benefits.
>
> -undopaminergic
>

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2020, at 12:45:25

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors, posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2020, at 12:40:43

Can all analytic therapists do the regression type therapy?

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors

Posted by undopaminergic on May 18, 2020, at 12:56:58

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors, posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2020, at 12:45:25

> Can all analytic therapists do the regression type therapy?

No. If you mean psycho-analytic, well, Freud himself abandoned hypnosis. As for me, I think it is best combined with other approaches. The important factor to look for is how well a person (eg. therapist) know and is skilled in hypnosis. The other main factor is the person to be hypnotised -- it is easier for some than other to get hypnotised.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2020, at 12:59:10

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors, posted by undopaminergic on May 18, 2020, at 12:56:58

Ok, so maybe down the line I will try this with that therapist (if he can do this) or another one. But if you are prone to psychosis, regression is risky. For now I am happy to have found someone who can help me figure stuff out.

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors Lamdage22

Posted by sigismund on May 20, 2020, at 0:32:25

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors, posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2020, at 12:45:25

>Can all analytic therapists do the regression type therapy?

I think that is the idea, though it may not be obvious at the time. I found myself in familiar and unwelcome spaces.

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors Lamdage22

Posted by undopaminergic on May 20, 2020, at 3:20:17

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors, posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2020, at 12:59:10

> But if you are prone to psychosis, regression is risky.
>

Why's that?

-undopaminergic

 

Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 20, 2020, at 9:39:57

In reply to Re: New Nardil site with list of MAOI doctors Lamdage22, posted by undopaminergic on May 20, 2020, at 3:20:17

Well maybe it is not. I will bring this up today. But maybe not if there is an exam @ University the next day!


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