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Test -- full article access

Posted by undopaminergic on April 26, 2020, at 9:03:12

Does this URL:
https://sci-hub.se/10.1097/YIC.0000000000000268
work for you to access the full article on trimipramine's effects on venlafaxine metabolism?

It is just an example; I just found this site, Sci-Hub:
https://sci-hub.se/

where you can paste a PMID, such as eg. from:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31094902
(the number at the end is the PMID)

and voila, get a full-text article! I can't believe it is only today I discovered this site.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Test -- full article access » undopaminergic

Posted by SLS on April 27, 2020, at 6:20:23

In reply to Test -- full article access, posted by undopaminergic on April 26, 2020, at 9:03:12

How totally cool!

> Does this URL:
> https://sci-hub.se/10.1097/YIC.0000000000000268
> work for you to access the full article on trimipramine's effects on venlafaxine metabolism?

Yup!

Thanks!


- Scott

 

Re: Test -- full article access

Posted by alexandra_k on April 27, 2020, at 21:10:21

In reply to Test -- full article access, posted by undopaminergic on April 26, 2020, at 9:03:12

It does work for me.

The concern that I have, however, is that it states it is a pirated website that violated copyright.

What I would do (if I were them) is change just the odd thing...

Just a number here, or a finding there.

Before you know it people think it is a good idea (think sceince is saying) to inject disinfectant.

I would be very very wary of it because of that.

Does that make sense?

 

Re: Test -- full article access

Posted by alexandra_k on April 27, 2020, at 21:18:30

In reply to Re: Test -- full article access, posted by alexandra_k on April 27, 2020, at 21:10:21

There are good and reputable websites that make good and reputable information available to the public without a subscription.

Or... There are good and reputable websites that make good and reputable information available to the public for only very very small (nominal really) cost.

I have been very impressed, lately, by the quality of access I have been able to get by way of online access through my local public library. In some ways it has been better access (higher quality stuff) than what is available in the Universities.

It is a bit fiddly, sometimes. To log in to read the NY times. To not have the beautiful layout or the pictures. But you can think of those as premium subscription perks, if you like. It is nice to read the news in plain boring old layout. To get the information. It is a nice way of doing it. Yeah.

Nature -- has made lots of Covid19 stuff available to people without subscription etc.

I dare say that a lot of the 'harder to find' 'obscure' stuff is, uh, really and truly oftentimes better off for being harder to find and obscure. Not always... But typically if you do manage to find a genuine finding people are interested... It is far more common for people to try and pass nonsense or rubbish or dodgey stats or dodgey research protocol or dodgey students or dodgey laboratory lead person off as something that they really and truly are not. I mean to say that often times the obscure stuff is best off for being hidden away behind subscription only service because it's not worth the paper it's not even printed on.

It is because they give you 'points' towards getting places in Medicine programs or working in Hospitals or whatever on the basis of your publications.

One way to view it is it is a further chance for them to get to know you.

See if you will torture the rats if you think you can get away with it. See if you will do something like that for an idea that's about as incredulous as, well, several that we have been hearing about, lately.

Often times it's laboratory people trying to stimgatise the student so the student won't be able to get a reputable position anywhere. Trying to make them appear both immoral and inept. Both stupid and mean. Most places don't want people who are stupid and mean. Some places like to do their best to make their people appear stupid and mean so they will never be able to get away from them no matter how badly they choose to treat them.

 

Re: Test -- full article access

Posted by alexandra_k on April 27, 2020, at 21:21:49

In reply to Re: Test -- full article access, posted by alexandra_k on April 27, 2020, at 21:18:30

It is a dynamic that doesn't show through, sometimes, in the research literature if you don't know to look for it.

You have to be careful of scientists themselves being sarcastic or taking the piss.

 

Re: Test -- full article access

Posted by undopaminergic on April 28, 2020, at 2:18:10

In reply to Re: Test -- full article access, posted by alexandra_k on April 27, 2020, at 21:10:21

> It does work for me.
>
> The concern that I have, however, is that it states it is a pirated website that violated copyright.
>
> What I would do (if I were them) is change just the odd thing...
>
> Just a number here, or a finding there.
>
> Before you know it people think it is a good idea (think sceince is saying) to inject disinfectant.
>
> I would be very very wary of it because of that.
>
> Does that make sense?

Hypothetically, but not in practice. The papers made available through Sci-Hub are typically downloaded from the publisher's site using (log in) credentials of a university library or similar. Therefore the concern is irrelevant as far as I can tell, because it is extremely unlikely that the document has been tampered with.

-undopaminerigc

 

Re: Test -- full article access

Posted by linkadge on April 28, 2020, at 15:45:26

In reply to Re: Test -- full article access » undopaminergic, posted by SLS on April 27, 2020, at 6:20:23

Cool. Thanks,

Linkadge

 

Re: Test -- full article access

Posted by alexandra_k on May 9, 2020, at 7:02:35

In reply to Re: Test -- full article access, posted by undopaminergic on April 28, 2020, at 2:18:10

> Hypothetically, but not in practice. The papers made available through Sci-Hub are typically downloaded from the publisher's site using (log in) credentials of a university library or similar. Therefore the concern is irrelevant as far as I can tell, because it is extremely unlikely that the document has been tampered with.

Okay.

I am just saying that I would be wary.

I am not a paragon of virtue. I used to watch ''Scrubs'' from some online website where I could watch episodes of the show without paying anything. Breeching copyright, I suppose I was.

The first episode would be high quality. Play smoothly. After a certain number of episodes the quality would deteriorate. Different ones were adulterated in different ways. The lip synching would be out. Or there would be some kind of a play-speed distortion. Or there would be severely blocked pixellation. Or there would be...

After a while it just didn't feel like it was worth watching anymore. But I was kind of hooked on the show... More likely to buy it?? Perhaps...

I think there is an arms race kind of a situation with respect to people actually investing in mechanisms to try and get people to stop stealing the stuffs already.

LIke with music, sometimes, how there will be insertions of 'you are listening to bbc radio one' or... Seriously disturbed bad-trip nightmare inducing tones edited in to where the feel good ride was abotu to peak up...

I would genuinely worry that people might do something like that to cruical bits of the data to try and 'punish' people from pirating the content.

I hear you that it is unlikely that content has been tampered with... But my concern really would be that that might not be for long...

I don't know.

Do you have another means / mechanism for access? I would just... Try real hard to access things legitimately if at all you possibly can. That's all.

 

Re: Test -- full article access » alexandra_k

Posted by undopaminergic on May 9, 2020, at 7:27:01

In reply to Re: Test -- full article access, posted by alexandra_k on May 9, 2020, at 7:02:35

>
> Do you have another means / mechanism for access? I would just... Try real hard to access things legitimately if at all you possibly can. That's all.
>

Some articles are fully available for free from the website of the journal. Some are also available on PubMed Central (PMC), in the form of either the published article, or just the authors' manuscript. Some articles are not available legitimately for free. In that case, you have to subscribe to the journal or pay per acticle. But I think you already knew these things...

-undopaminergic


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