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Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week

Posted by Lamdage22 on April 22, 2020, at 7:07:48

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by undopaminergic on April 22, 2020, at 6:42:55

Cocaine XR is for wussies. Smoke Crack!

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week

Posted by undopaminergic on April 22, 2020, at 10:05:06

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by Lamdage22 on April 22, 2020, at 7:07:48

> Cocaine XR is for wussies. Smoke Crack!

Cocaine decanoate intramuscular injection may be appropriate in some cases to increase compliance.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week

Posted by sigismund on April 22, 2020, at 22:08:49

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by undopaminergic on April 22, 2020, at 10:05:06

Talking about ADs my shrink said, 'They're just not good drugs. An AD should feel like half a line of coke all day'.

Chewing coca is good.

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week

Posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2020, at 1:28:08

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by sigismund on April 22, 2020, at 22:08:49

I think that getting high is just not a solution. You just need to take a look at the people begging for money at trainstations. Of course you temporarily feel better. That is what illegal drugs do.

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week

Posted by undopaminergic on April 23, 2020, at 3:08:53

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2020, at 1:28:08

> I think that getting high is just not a solution. You just need to take a look at the people begging for money at trainstations. Of course you temporarily feel better. That is what illegal drugs do.
>

Legal or illegal is irrelevant to the effects of the drug. I agree that feeling high, in the form of a rush, is not a solution; for one thing, it doesn't last long enough unless you take excessive doses to stay high. Cocaine taken orally in moderate doses does not produce a rush. In smoked form, the rush is so intense that you can get spontaneous orgasms. Methylphenidate intravenously also produce a rush, illegal or not.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week

Posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2020, at 6:15:33

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by undopaminergic on April 23, 2020, at 3:08:53

I know. I am wary of everything that is abused.

> Legal or illegal is irrelevant to the effects of the drug. I agree that feeling high, in the form of a rush, is not a solution; for one thing, it doesn't last long enough unless you take excessive doses to stay high. Cocaine taken orally in moderate doses does not produce a rush. In smoked form, the rush is so intense that you can get spontaneous orgasms. Methylphenidate intravenously also produce a rush, illegal or not.
>
> -undopaminergic
>

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week

Posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2020, at 6:20:14

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2020, at 6:15:33

I meant to say abusable drugs more than illegal drugs. It looks to me like many people here are at high risk to abuse them one day because of their attitude.

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week

Posted by undopaminergic on April 23, 2020, at 6:25:57

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2020, at 6:20:14

> I meant to say abusable drugs more than illegal drugs. It looks to me like many people here are at high risk to abuse them one day because of their attitude.
>

I abused (cocaine-like) stimulants to stay up for days on end. Medicinally, I used them for their antidepressant and anti-apathetic effects.

I don't know how long I can stay up... maybe more than a week!

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week

Posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2020, at 6:58:59

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by undopaminergic on April 23, 2020, at 6:25:57

I guess you tend to do those things when you feel you have nothing to lose.

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week

Posted by undopaminergic on April 23, 2020, at 7:09:22

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2020, at 6:58:59

> I guess you tend to do those things when you feel you have nothing to lose.

I did feel that way actually.

But it was also a logical extension of being a night owl, ie. wanting to stay up late.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week

Posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2020, at 8:45:58

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by undopaminergic on April 23, 2020, at 7:09:22

The thing is, there is almost something to lose in terms of mental health. You are able to connect with other people (at least on the internet), you don't have delusions or hallucinations etc. etc. This business of trying meds in general and especially addictive"meds" is risky.

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week

Posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2020, at 8:46:21

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2020, at 8:45:58

+always

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week

Posted by undopaminergic on April 23, 2020, at 9:17:30

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2020, at 8:45:58

> The thing is, there is almost something to lose in terms of mental health. You are able to connect with other people (at least on the internet), you don't have delusions or hallucinations etc. etc. This business of trying meds in general and especially addictive"meds" is risky.
>

Those are things I take for granted, even after having been through a full-blown psychosis. Struggling with that psychosis, and in the process of resolving it, I have become more resistant to further episodes.

In some ways, I am risk-averse, in others I'm not. I have something to gain from being awake. If I have something to lose by it, it is a secondary consideration. Even if I see the glass as half-full I still wish to fill it up. I may do so by making use of the part of the day I would otherwise sleep.

You say I am able to connect with other people. Well, the more I am awake, the more time I have to interact.

It is not that I don't like sleeping. In fact I do, especially dreaming. But I hate the periods, often hours, of trying to fall asleep.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week

Posted by undopaminergic on April 23, 2020, at 9:26:19

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2020, at 8:45:58

In any case, being psychotic, at least hallucinating, is better than apathy. It's more interesting, more stimulating. Sure, it can be an overwhelming distraction, and it can be confusing, but still, it's better than apathy.

Having grandiose delusions can also feel nice. It does wonders for positive thinking. But, of course, paranoid delusions can be hell.

It's like bipolar disorder, mania feels nice, but you would rather do without it than to pay for it in the form of depressive or mixed episodes.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week

Posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2020, at 13:03:07

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by undopaminergic on April 23, 2020, at 9:26:19

It's different for everyone. I rather have apathy than to make a fool of myself during psychosis.

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week sigismund

Posted by linkadge on April 23, 2020, at 17:12:47

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by sigismund on April 22, 2020, at 22:08:49

>They're just not good drugs. An AD should feel like >half a line of coke all day'

Funny. But on a serious note, I would say that Ritalin has put me into remission. Without it (even with high dose ADs) I just feel like a failure. I give up so easily. I experience a knot in my shoelace and I give up on going out to a movie.

Linkadge

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week Lamdage22

Posted by linkadge on April 23, 2020, at 17:19:54

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2020, at 1:28:08

>I think that getting high is just not a solution. >You just need to take a look at the people begging >for money at trainstations. Of course you >temporarily feel better. That is what illegal drugs >do.

Maybe. Maybe not. How many doctors would have said that depressives were 'just getting high' on ketamine and then dismissed their reports?

But, would cocaine's effect still only be temporary if you took it in lower doses, in a controlled release fashion?

Some studies suggest that what really makes cocaine abusable is the rate at which it occupies the dopamine transporter. I.e. snorting it gives a massive, sudden inhibition of DAT resulting in a huge surge of dopamine.

The only difference between recreational cocaine and theaputic Ritalin, is perhaps dose. The same thing goes for recreational meth and therapeutic Dexedrine.

Linkadge

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week undopaminergic

Posted by linkadge on April 23, 2020, at 17:22:25

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by undopaminergic on April 23, 2020, at 3:08:53

>Methylphenidate intravenously also produce a rush, >illegal or not.

Exactly. That's why I wonder if a low dose long acting version of cocaine actually have therapeutic effect in depression? This is just a thought experiment, rather than a suggestion or recommendation to anybody.

Linakdge

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week Lamdage22

Posted by linkadge on April 23, 2020, at 17:24:33

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2020, at 6:20:14

>It looks to me like many people here are at high >risk to abuse them one day because of their >attitude.

In terms of health harms to society, the abuse of alcohol is ranked far more detrimental to health than cocaine. Yet, it's perfectly legal.

Benzodiazapines can also be abused. For the record, I have never abused benzos, nor have I had difficulty getting off them.

Linkadge


 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week Lamdage22

Posted by linkadge on April 23, 2020, at 17:50:31

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2020, at 6:58:59

There are tons of people who get inadequate relief from many psychiatric drugs. You go to the doctor, and they hand you something that boosts your serotonin. If it doesn't work, you're f*ck*d and they blame you.

I mean, addiction aside, cocaine XR would probably rock for low mood, low energy, poor concentration, social phobia, you name it.

Linkadge

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week Lamdage22

Posted by linkadge on April 23, 2020, at 18:02:16

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by Lamdage22 on April 23, 2020, at 8:45:58

>This business of trying meds in general and especially addictive"meds" is risky.

Everything is a risk. Severe unremitting depression is a serious risk. I've probably tried more meds than most people here:

serzone, trazodone, mirtazapine, Prozac, Zoloft, paxil, celexa, escitalopram, luvox, venlafaxine, amitriptyline, nortriptyline, imipramine, doxepin, surmontil, clomipramine, parnate, lithium, depakote, carbamazepine, risperdone, olanzapine, Seroquel, thioridazine, perphenazine, lorazepam, valium, clonazepam, oxepam, bromazepam, fluorazepam, Ritalin, Dexedrine, straterra, atenolol, propranolol....probably a bunch I can't remember too.

Whatever the f*ck is wrong with me, the vast majority of these meds to diddly squat.

Linkadge

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week undopaminergic

Posted by linkadge on April 23, 2020, at 18:09:18

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week, posted by undopaminergic on April 23, 2020, at 9:26:19

>Having grandiose delusions can also feel nice. It >does wonders for positive thinking. But, of course, >paranoid delusions can be hell.

Weed for me helps in this regard. Being slightly detached from reality (for me) is very helpful during depressive episodes. The only thing I can compare it to is the highly anticholinergic TCAs. It's jut trying to shut my brain the f*ck down. The hyperreflection on my own stupid problems and my inability to do anything about them is brutal. When I use weed I can forget about everything in a dose dependent manner.

Some people have had bad 'breaks' using marijuanna. I have had 'breaks' from reality but I'm like "thank God I get a break from my horrible meaningless life".

Linkadge

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week linkadge

Posted by sigismund on April 23, 2020, at 19:54:24

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week sigismund, posted by linkadge on April 23, 2020, at 17:12:47

> I give up so easily. I experience a knot in my shoelace and I give up on going out to a movie.


EXACTLY

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week

Posted by sigismund on April 23, 2020, at 19:56:04

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week Lamdage22, posted by linkadge on April 23, 2020, at 17:19:54

Chewing coca is slow release. Three times a day. Some people might not like the mouth full of chaff thingo.

 

Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week

Posted by sigismund on April 23, 2020, at 19:57:08

In reply to Re: Starting Cocaine XR next week undopaminergic, posted by linkadge on April 23, 2020, at 18:09:18

>Being slightly detached from reality (for me) is very helpful during depressive episodes.

Slightly, yes, that is how it is for me.


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