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Posted by rjlockhart37 on April 16, 2020, at 23:41:00
if your reading this not take one, basically two things: they calm anxiety, and sometimes are look forward too. But let me say Nueronin and lyrica and the others are similar, nueroton is almost exact to diazpeam because it's just so general.
Diazepam is weaket benzo i've ever been on, it feels just a ccalming feeling, your just valiumed, no high, just makes you kinda calm and relaxed and also makes your irresonsible, careless. Good for sleep, good ole joe benzo that is non selective, the most general out of all of them. But has potent muscle relaxation, you'll feel loosened up. But it's just general, non selective, no distinct characteristics.
alprazolam was potent but only short time, the extended release form is better. but this is what i think about extended releease form - it's more worse trying to get off, maybe not psychucal, but xanax xr lasts about 11 hours, some doctors say its 24 hour, its not. And when you used to it being in your system the entire day, the whole, having it removed is painful. Have more anxiety since it's a constant release mechanism.
diazepam is the weakest and most general one i've ever been on, all it does you take it and it makes you calm. Not high potency, its calming has a diffrent charastic than ativan and others, the others are more relaxation, semi-euphoric, this stuff is general and just makes calm feeling, not potent enough for panic attacks, usally at high doses when its works. Had severe anxiety for days, it's weaker and requires more dosing to rid severe anxiety. I take low dose, like 12.5 a day, had another insomnia attack took 7.5 mg, went to sleep for 2 hours and woke up in severe anxiety. Doctor put me on it because they use it for withdrawl from other meds, in a case i was using phenibut for years because i could handle this anxiety, and it worked. But im telling you, if your taking moderate high doses, this drug is hell in withdraws, sweating, insomnia, no appirate, have this primal fear feeling all the time. I didn't have any resources for anxiety, so i found phenibut, and started taking it and i was relieved and could function. But withdraw is hell, seizures are included. But usally dumb people are the ones that take more than 2000mg. usally phenibut is used at 500-1000mg, and that's about it. Hardly anywithdrawl, maybe some anxiety. But dumb people like me, who had to take higher doses for anxiety, then stopped it. Absolute hell.
lorazepam - chill out, they use it almost al the time in all medical fields, hospitals, rehabs, its the most commonly used drug in medical facilities for sedation effect. I'm serious, you go to a hospital, your agirated or in some kinda of wacky state, they akmost always use lorazepam. I've read it actually can make you more hostile or violent, i read an article about some guy getting violent towards the staff. I always say i read these articles, but truely that i what read. During high anxiety, it will feel likea complete lift off your sholders, it's more potent, and more addictive. Lorazepam has low euphoria propterties, but in someways it does because the relaxation and relief feeling, sit back like haivng couple beers or something
alprazolan is potent, has anti-depressant properties, has some mood enhancement, itt hits D2 receptors. It's defeintly one that take during a major anxiety attack, that's why its used for panic disorder. It's ... odd, but xanax is one of the most prescribed benzos here in the US, i guess doctors just hand out a low dose prescription and it works well. People respond to xanax very well, the way it makes them feel. It's hell to get off of, and many street people pop xanax's. There very popular in black market.
clonazepam - potent, sedating, depressing, anti-manic properties. It's very potent, but also i rerember it made me terribly depressed, and i was in low mood and it made me angry or feel like blowing up because of this low mood it made me in. It's a best one for sleep, it hits and your out. There's many klonopin addiction stories, many of them, Stevie nicks, but i just don't understand why its so addictive, potency, i guess, but mood wise, klono depreso, it depressed mood. But they use also in severe panic disorders in higher doses, people who avoid highways, have severe phobias.
Those are all I've reviewed
anyone one else would like to rate or respond, see whats your idea
Posted by undopaminergic on April 17, 2020, at 3:17:48
In reply to rate benzo comparison, posted by rjlockhart37 on April 16, 2020, at 23:41:00
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> clonazepam - ... It's a best one for sleep, it hits and your out.
>I don't agree. For one thing, its half-life is too long, so there will be significant residual concentrations of it remaining in the morning, making you sedated. Midazolam is ideal if you have trouble falling asleep, but it's too short-acting for helping you remain asleep, which is a problem I don't have.
Another thing is, that it didn't help me sleep for long even though I took over 90 2 mg tablets. After waking, I did stupid things that I can't remember and by the time my memory came back online I was in the mental hospital.
-undopaminergic
Posted by rjlockhart37 on April 17, 2020, at 22:34:18
In reply to Re: rate benzo comparison, posted by undopaminergic on April 17, 2020, at 3:17:48
90 2mg tablets? that's 45mg of clonazepam, that kinda ... i don't understand how you were not unconscious. Good things about benzos is you can take these, like klono at very high dose without risk of death. Glad your alive. Barbiturates are different, like seconal, well known sleeping medication. If you become tolerant and forget about taking it, it can shut down respitory, or make you go in a coma. So 90 100mg capsules, yup you would be dead no question.
I've read klonopin has a long half life, very long, but when i took it, it was sedating. I took dexedrine, and i would take it at night to study, high doses. Then after dexamphetaine wore, it was impossible to sleep. I took 4mg (2mg tablets) and was able to shut down and go to sleep. It just, stopped everything in my mind, and calmed and made me go sleep. I rerember back in 05, i was prescribed klonopin, during the day i tried to take nap, and could not, i woul just lay there sedated but no go to sleep. But when i took klono after amphetamine wore off, i could sleep, it shut down the after effect of amphetamines leaving the system.
But dude....45mg of klono, wow. I mean, it is safe, because you rarely can overdose on benzos unlike barbiturates. I'm happy at least you were ok after it wore off. That's a massive dose
Posted by undopaminergic on April 18, 2020, at 7:10:46
In reply to Re: rate benzo comparison, posted by rjlockhart37 on April 17, 2020, at 22:34:18
> 90 2mg tablets? that's 45mg of clonazepam, that kinda ... i don't understand how you were not unconscious.
>I probably slept for some hours... I can't remember, because benzos do that to memory.
90x2 mg is 180 mg!
-undopaminergic
Posted by rjlockhart37 on April 18, 2020, at 13:01:01
In reply to Re: rate benzo comparison, posted by undopaminergic on April 18, 2020, at 7:10:46
still dude, that is a massive dose, don't understand how you survived, or didnt go into ultra uncounciouness, 12mg of clonazpam my goodness knocked me out, and put me into a stupor, and could not think straight, i was more drunk like
glad you survived that
Posted by undopaminergic on April 19, 2020, at 4:17:21
In reply to Re: rate benzo comparison, posted by rjlockhart37 on April 18, 2020, at 13:01:01
> still dude, that is a massive dose, don't understand how you survived, or didnt go into ultra uncounciouness, 12mg of clonazpam my goodness knocked me out, and put me into a stupor, and could not think straight, i was more drunk like
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> glad you survived thatI was manic at the time, so you would expect it to take a high dose to sedate me. But the dose was big enough, there is no question about that. I don't know how long I slept, except that is was far shorter than I had intended.
-undopaminergic
Posted by rjlockhart37 on April 28, 2020, at 20:17:05
In reply to Re: rate benzo comparison, posted by undopaminergic on April 19, 2020, at 4:17:21
maryln monroe, (reportely) took a bottle of 25 Nembutals (pentobarbital) and chloral hydrate. Pentobarbital once was used in the lethal injection for the death penality. They stopped using it. It is one the most best sleeping medications you could ever take, i read its better than the other barbiturates. It hits more sites on GABA than they do. More pleasant, serene effect. From what i read maryln monroe before she was found passed away, she talking on the phone with her friends, her doctor gave her a bunch of goodie druggies, dr everythingisgonnabealright, either naryln monroe did the stupid idiot performance, or she did intentially take all of them. There's conspiracy theroeis that somehow, someone immaculantly made it look like a suicide, with no trace of anything.
But taking 25 clonazepam, you be alseep and have a hangover, barbituates are diffrent, if you get tolerant to them, and have to take more, even though the phsycholocal effect maybe is not as good, it shuts down respitory, go into a coma. It keeps the cloride channel open, while benzos increase frequency, so with being open all the time, immidate sleep, then coma, then death if not treated.
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