Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 1108223

Shown: posts 1 to 18 of 18. This is the beginning of the thread.

 

magnesium and bromide

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 27, 2020, at 23:18:08

definitely noticed magnesium is good for anxiety. It's in the same class as lithium, but magnesium actually is a sedative at higher doses, you feel just back to earth. For a long time until the 1970s, they had bromide, they used it in 1800s because they found it's anticonvulsant effect and significant anxiety reduction, but i was reading over ads, and what people said about it. It makes you feel relief, but dull feeling. "bromized" was a term They had it, OTC till 1970s, removed because of toxicity. Both of them are natural elements, just like lithium controls neurotransmitter firing and stabilizes it. Bromide and Magnesium do similar, but it's anxiety reduction. Potassium Bromide Sodium bromide, potassium bromide, and ammonium bromide were depressants sometimes used for sleep problems, was used heavily in the early 1900s for anxiety. both give dull, but the do give anxiety relief, bromide has anticonvulsant effects.

http://inhn.org/drugs/bromides.html

 

Re: magnesium and bromide

Posted by sigismund on January 27, 2020, at 23:29:36

In reply to magnesium and bromide, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 27, 2020, at 23:18:08

After my father died I found some old ones in a drawer.

Given to soldiers, I heard, for similar reasons to those below.

>It was only in the mid-1850s that Charles Lockock, a London internist, discovered the anticonvulsant property and sedative action of the drug. It was one of the many quaint examples of serendipity in which a false theory led to correct empirical results. Lockock, like many physicians in his time, believed that convulsions and epilepsy were caused by masturbation and since bromides were known to curb sex drive, he administered potassium bromide with the rationale that by reducing the frequency of masturbation he will be able to control epileptic seizures (convulsions) in his patient (Lehmann and Ban, 1970). The treatment was a success insofar as control of convulsions was concerned. It also focused attention on the sedating properties of the drug (Ban, 2006).

 

Re: magnesium and bromide

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 27, 2020, at 23:31:36

In reply to magnesium and bromide, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 27, 2020, at 23:18:08

omgod totally disregard that article, i just read it and ther term they put in there, forget all that...

This is the thing : bromides were medicines during the 1800s, until they found paraldehyde, if you want to know what they used for anxiety in hospitals before barbiturates, they used paraldehyde, it was a liquid, it tasted horrible, but it relaxes and puts you to sleep. They frequently used paraldehyde in asylums. And there standards back then, they were cruel to the patients, i mean you don't want hear what they used to do, they would tie them put to where they could not move, horrible barbaric treatments. Bromide and paraldehyde were mainly sedatives in the 1800s

 

Re: magnesium and bromide sigismund

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 27, 2020, at 23:36:08

In reply to Re: magnesium and bromide, posted by sigismund on January 27, 2020, at 23:29:36

yes, had it over the counter in some places. The term "bromized" was when you took much, dull impaired feeling

 

Re: magnesium and bromide

Posted by PeterMartin on January 28, 2020, at 0:37:49

In reply to Re: magnesium and bromide sigismund, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 27, 2020, at 23:36:08

There a lot of different kinds of magnesium and the effects vary.

It definitely has an effect on me but I find it I take it for more than a few days I either get spacey or depressed.

I'm odd like that though. Most of the suggested supplements like may/vitamin d/fish oil tend to make me feel much worse.

 

Re: magnesium and bromide

Posted by undopaminergic on January 28, 2020, at 3:01:46

In reply to Re: magnesium and bromide, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 27, 2020, at 23:31:36

> This is the thing : bromides were medicines during the 1800s, until they found paraldehyde, if you want to know what they used for anxiety in hospitals before barbiturates, they used paraldehyde,
>

I knew about bromides but not paraldehyde. What about chloral hydrate?

-undopaminergic

 

Re: magnesium and bromide

Posted by Lamdage22 on January 28, 2020, at 4:17:10

In reply to Re: magnesium and bromide, posted by undopaminergic on January 28, 2020, at 3:01:46

Is bromide addictive?

 

Re: magnesium and bromide

Posted by undopaminergic on January 28, 2020, at 6:59:56

In reply to Re: magnesium and bromide, posted by Lamdage22 on January 28, 2020, at 4:17:10

> Is bromide addictive?

Not that I know of, but I think many substances can be psychologically addictive. If you feel better (eg. less anxious) when taking bromides, you would typically want to keep taking them.

I want to take opies again, because I felt better on them, even though I was never even dependent/tolerant. I want to try lithium again, because I had a brief antidepressive response.

However, I'm not particularly "craving" any substance, so I guess I can't say I'm addicted. I do want nicotine enough to use it if it is available (substitution therapy keeps me from smoking). I guess the question is, where do you draw the line?

-undopaminergic

 

Re: magnesium and bromide

Posted by Lamdage22 on January 28, 2020, at 12:05:30

In reply to Re: magnesium and bromide, posted by undopaminergic on January 28, 2020, at 6:59:56

Well, i think Benzos and Opiates cross the line. I wonder if Bromide could be a viable "as needed" Sleep medication for me

 

Re: magnesium and bromide

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 28, 2020, at 23:17:07

In reply to Re: magnesium and bromide, posted by undopaminergic on January 28, 2020, at 3:01:46

forgot to mention that, they all came out at different times in the 1800s. For a long time, i read paraldehyde was used to sedate manic patients, or violent in asylums. Bromide, chloral Hydrate, and paraldehyde where main sedatives, there were more....i'm sure that havent been documented on the net.

 

Re: magnesium and bromide

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 28, 2020, at 23:28:14

In reply to Re: magnesium and bromide, posted by Lamdage22 on January 28, 2020, at 4:17:10

don't think they would ever bring it back, because of toxicity, but they used it for almost 100 years i think after toxicity cases they removed it. ...like lithium, they used bromide

 

Re: magnesium and bromide

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 28, 2020, at 23:31:18

In reply to Re: magnesium and bromide, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 28, 2020, at 23:28:14

somewhere i read, they had it over the counter for years for anxiety or mixed illness, but bromide is element with lithium, they have no euphoric effects, only stabilizing, but "bromized" is a term they used to say when you took too much. Dull, and lifeless

 

Re: magnesium and bromide

Posted by undopaminergic on January 29, 2020, at 3:15:11

In reply to Re: magnesium and bromide, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 28, 2020, at 23:31:18

> somewhere i read, they had it over the counter for years for anxiety or mixed illness, but bromide is element with lithium, they have no euphoric effects, only stabilizing, but "bromized" is a term they used to say when you took too much.
>

There is also a condition called bromism, meaning chronic bromide poisoning.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: magnesium and bromide

Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 30, 2020, at 1:22:08

In reply to Re: magnesium and bromide, posted by undopaminergic on January 29, 2020, at 3:15:11

yeah people were getting toxicity, but discovered it's medical effects in early 1800s, and it was used...really for about 100+ years. They stopped using bromides in 1979s, took them off the shelves and off market

 

pharma comp: bromide

Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 4, 2020, at 23:25:16

In reply to Re: magnesium and bromide, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 30, 2020, at 1:22:08

this could be a little handy medication for bipolar anxiety, similar to lithium. It's was used for 100 years, but cases of toxicity why it was removed. But it did, very well have anti-anxiety effects, and anticonvulsant. It's almost the same as lithium. But i don't think it would be a big seller, it's a old bromide from centuries ago, still it could be a slight choice for bipolar anxiety. It's almost the same as lithium, but its more for anxiety. I'm sure there's tons of documentation that could be pulled out see if it would be qualified to be a medication again. Still it could be handy add-on for anxiety spectrum

 

Re: pharma comp: bromide

Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 4, 2020, at 23:40:30

In reply to pharma comp: bromide, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 4, 2020, at 23:25:16

actually never mind ii researched some cases about it: it does dull thinking the mind, they used in world war 1 to sedate soldiers, but its not ... its toxic i think so disregard this

https://www.chemistryworld.com/podcasts/potassium-bromide/6805.article

 

Re: pharma comp: bromide

Posted by undopaminergic on February 5, 2020, at 3:01:17

In reply to pharma comp: bromide, posted by rjlockhart37 on February 4, 2020, at 23:25:16

> this could be a little handy medication for bipolar anxiety, similar to lithium. It's was used for 100 years, but cases of toxicity why it was removed.
>

It also has more side effects, such as acne, in comparison with eg. benzodiazepines.

> It's almost the same as lithium.

It is more closely related to chloride. See there periodic table:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table#/media/File:Simple_Periodic_Table_Chart-en.svg

-undopaminergic

 

Re: pharma comp: bromide

Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 7, 2020, at 20:48:09

In reply to Re: pharma comp: bromide, posted by undopaminergic on February 5, 2020, at 3:01:17

i read this article, that they used use bromide for hangover from alcohol, they did it in the 1800s- till almost the 1960s, then alcoholics transferred from alcohol to bromide, alcohol to be being a bromos....bromide has sedative effects, i guess for a while they were using it for replacement for alcoholics. Mainly this was in 1800s- early 20th century. They took bromide off the market for toxicity issues. Still it was used for 100 years in medical practice. Bromo-seltzer was a hangover remedy for the next morning, in early 20th century.


This is the end of the thread.


Show another thread

URL of post in thread:


Psycho-Babble Medication | Extras | FAQ


[dr. bob] Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD, bob@dr-bob.org

Script revised: February 4, 2008
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl
Copyright 2006-17 Robert Hsiung.
Owned and operated by Dr. Bob LLC and not the University of Chicago.